http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/frost-pressure-20k-transcript.txt http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/Frost_Pressure_20k.mp3 7 minutes 47 seconds (1.11 mb file) (ACandyRose RECAP): Jeff Shapiro talking to Joe Mullins. Shapiro asks if he can do the John Ramsey talks to the Globe story if that would ease off pressure from Tony Frost. Jeff said "somebody" says she thinks John Ramsey wouldn't mind a positive story. Jeff said Tracy said he heard that John Ramsey did talk to Shapiro. Shapiro says John Ramsey denied in a DA interview that he talked to Globe on the telephone but then he admitted that that was why he had his telephone number changed. Mullins suggest Shapiro write up the story and then they can see what it goes. Joe Mullins tells Shapiro they know John Ramsey is part of the cover up and Jeff says because of the box thing...with Archella. Mullins says yeah, that's one thing. Shapiro says he still has John Ramsey's telephone number on his caller ID and he has Ramsey's telephone number on his phone bill where he talked to him for 49 minutes. Shapiro suggest making it like a Q and A type story. (Phone Rings) Mullins: Joe Mullins Shapiro: Joe Mullins: Jeff Shapiro: Let me ask you a question. Mullins: Um huh Shapiro: Do you still want to run this story on John? Mullins: On John? Shapiro: yeah Mullins: well...it's possible. Shapiro: well if you're not into it I mean.... Mullins: Why, tell me why? Shapiro: well because I just talked to (unintelligible), and to my surprise, she thinks now that they have given the go ahead for their friends to talk, that um.... she said what the hell. She said uh…you know, she said that she doesn't think that he would mind a positive story. And I said well you know, I said my guess is that the title would be something like "I have to find the Killer of my Daughter". And she said, well, she goes, well Mullins: Yeah, write everything out, send it to me, Shapiro: Uh huh Mullins: and well…well see. Shapiro: Well how would you guy's do it, I mean, would you do it like…even though John say's he wants to find the killer of his daughter, it's obvious that his wife did it, or I mean you know, would be screwing him, or I mean or would we do it.... Mullins: um Shapiro: I mean, honestly... Mullins: I'd like to see, I'd like to.. depending on what he said, I'd like to examine if theirs a way we could…do it...with out pissing him off. Shapiro: Cause we might be able to keep going. Mullins: Well.. you know Shapiro: yeah Mullins: well Shapiro: Second question, just a.. point of reference. If a..if I do get the go ahead to do this, do you think it gonna ease off some of the pressure from Tony? Mullins: Well, if, if you, if we could get a front page story saying "John Ramsey talks to globe", I think that might help. (Bits of laughter on both parties) Mullins: But could we, I mean we would have to send the story to Ramsey and say " This is the story or this is the interview" ..uh.. we're saying this, do you have any comment on it? ..you know, you know we do… it wouldn't be a case were your just sneaking it by him you know? Shapiro: And what do we do when they deny the whole thing? Mullins: What? If they deny they ever spoke to you? Shapiro: Yes Mullins: hum... I don't know... Shapiro: He did deny it in the DA interview. Mullins: What, he denied that he spoke to you? Shapiro: Yeah, well they um.. they said why did you change your number? And he said " Well I just had a lot of people calling my lately and it's gotten so much that my family cant handle it, and I've had all kinds of people calling me that I've never talked to, then he laughed, and he said; "Actually, Jeff Shapiro from the Globe even called me", and a.., then Brian Morgan looked up at him and this is the impression that he said this because of Brian. Brian looked at him and he stopped and said "So I had my phone disconnected the next day, I had my number changed". Mullins: Well that isn't the denial of the... that he spoke to you is it? Shapiro: Well.. Tracey say's that he's hearing through the Grapevine that I tried to call him, but we didn't talk. Mullins: hum.. Well you know we would have to go to him and say listen, this is what I would want to say, cause if we do that, and that's the way we do it.. Shapiro: Right Mullins: But I mean your leveling with me, you spoke to him? Shapiro: No, Joe, I absolutely spoke with him. Theirs no question about it. I mean, yeah, dude, Tracy knows I spoke to him because Tracy heard it, you know, I mean….people know. Mullins: What do you mean Tracy heard it.. Jeff? Shapiro: Well Tracy, no, he heard about me having called over their through other people on that side. He knows.. I mean he said good things about me too when you know, they asked him, you know, what do you know about this guy, and he said, "Oh, I know Jeff" you know. (Short Pause) Mullins: um.. hey, write it out. If we have, if we got it through the process, if um, he denied ever saying it, then.. we, we would question weather we use it, I don't know. (Short Pulse) Shapiro: Do you think it's a good story? Mullins: I think it's kind of interesting, and the fact that he spoke to a reporter, he hasn't done that. (Muffled noise) Shapiro: Fuck.... I wonder what I should do? (Long Pulse) Shapiro: Oh man, I don't know. (Short Pulse) Shapiro: What do you think the headline would be? Mullins: John Ramsey talks to the Globe, you know.. something like that. (Short Pulse) Shapiro: You think theirs a way to do it? I mean a way to do it that won't make him upset? Mullins: That won't piss him off? Shapiro: yeah. Mullins: Well, I don't know. Shapiro: It's kind of tough I mean, I Mullins: We could obvisely have a, we could do the story that a, he's already, we're not going to say that he's innocent, we would probably say, I mean, we could perhaps do a story on the lines of these.. uh you know, sources close to the DA believe that he a... he wasn't involved in the.. death and that, and I mean we know he's involved in the cover up. Shapiro: This is boxing. Mullins: This is what? Shapiro: The boxing with (Unreadable). Mullins: One thing. Shapiro: Trying to think.. (Short Pulse).. I wonder what a Mullins: Anyway, can't you get the story down, make sure you have notes of what it...um, write it out as if you would a story. Shapiro: Actually, I have his number on my caller id. Mullins: What, coming back with a time of the call? Shapiro: I have his number still on my caller id, I could take a photograph of it, and I have his number on my phone bill for 49 minuets. Mullins: hum… well that's helpful. Shapiro: Yeah, well who did I talk to, the Fucking maid? (Long Pulse) Mullins: Alright Jeff, listen, I'm about to go out so uh, why don't you do that. I mean we'll try to a, I think theirs probably way's to doing the story but a, we could get it through him, we could a.. Shapiro: Were you going to say it kinda like the Cathleen Keen story? Mullins: Well, that's... Shapiro: Yeah, well that's what I talked to (unintelligent) about, and I said theirs really nothing negative in their right, and she said, "no not really" and I was like, we could do something like that. Mullins: ..that was going by (unintelligible) of course Shapiro: Right, and this wasn't. Mullins: And obviselly that pissed them off. Shapiro: Yeah, well they call everyone who tries to infiltrate the MaCathline Keen now. (Short bit of laughter) Shapiro: Um..(Long Pulse).. so um, so you think I should write it out like Q&A kind of? Mullins: Yeah Shapiro: Like I say, what do you think about this, and he say's I want to do this. Mullins: Yeah... Write out everything. Write out your comments, how you, how you introduced those as well. Shapiro: Ok Mullins: Alright Shapiro: Alright man Mullins: Talk to you later. Shapiro: bye. (End Segment)