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Cowboy Boot Intruder Charlevoix, Michigan Somebody was sleeping in JonBenet's bed Somebody left suitcase and cowboy boots behind Incident Occured in Fall 1996 Reported to Boulder Police January 1997

JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case
Cowboy Boots Intruder - Charlevoix, Michigan
Cowboy Boots Intruder (Download "s-cowboy-boots-mi(20pg).pdf" (.PDF 86kb) File HERE)

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Date

Reference

Key ?

Gave Prints

Gave Blood

Gave Hair

Handwriting

Got DNA

Cleared or Alibi

Cowboy Boots Intruder
(Charlevoix, Michigan)
(Found unknown suitcase and cowboy boots in JonBenet's Bedroom at Michigan summerhouse, and somebody was sleeping in JonBenet's bed)

Boulder Police, Ron Gosage and Jane Harmer also contacted people re: Charlevoix Little Miss pageant to see if anybody wanted to harm the Ramseys

Fall 1996
Reported
January 1997

Boulder PD
Search Warrant Issued
01-05-1997
Suspected BE

DOI pg 362
Laura Stebe
Search Warrant
01-05-1997
PMPT Pg121sb
+ B's Reports
webbsleuths
Atlanta 2000 Ramsey 50pg Suspect List

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Investigated by
Ron Gosage
Jane Harmer
01-05-1997
Three Days

Housekeepers
interviewed by Sheriff Lasater, Charlevoix,MI
BPD sent faxed questionarre to be completed by housekeepers

RECAP OF INFORMATION ABOUT COWBOY BOOT INTRUDER:

01. Fall 1996 Somebody was sleeping in JonBenet's bed in Charlevoix, Michigan house
02. Fall 1996 Somebody left suitcase and cowboy boots behind Charlevoix, Michigan house
03. Incident was reported to Boulder Police in January 1997

04. 1997-01-05: Boulder PD Issued Search Warrant for Charlevoix house on suspected BE

05. DOI Pg362 states in fall 1996 Laura Stebe, went to the house and found an open
06. DOI Pg362 Laura Stebe found very neatly packed suitcase at the foot of JonBenet's bed.
07. DOI Pg362 Laura Stebe found a pair of cowboy boots was sitting beside the suitcase.
08. DOI Pg362 Laura Stebe reported JonBenet's bed had obviously been slept in

09. 2000-04-14: "B" on www.webbsleuths.com - "Who was in the Charlevoix house?"
10. It was a male, b. Small suitcase with male clothing neatly folded in it.
11. No other signs of anyone in house, d. BPD never sealed bedroom or took evidence.
12. Housekeeper had gone to house at the request of Patsy to check a wine stain on carpet
13. Charity function held at house the previous weekend, d. No noted forced entry.
14. Unusual was a male staying in the girls bedroom.

15. 2000-08-29: John Ramsey included incident in Atlanta 2000 50page Suspect File

16. 2000-09-07: "B" on www.webbsleuths.com - "Charlevoix-1996"
17. The cowboy boots were on the dressier side.Not beat up at all.
18. The suitcase was small travel size, black. Clothes neatly folded inside,male clothes
19. B posted she asked John Ramsey to check phone records for that time period
20. B posted the Charlevoix house house did have a phone jack on the front porch
21. B posted male house guests usually stayed in boys "bunk" room or guest room downstairs
22. B posted that the Ramseys were at Michigan house for Labor Day ('96) and than left
23. B posted that the wine stain was in living room by piano

24. 2001-05-27: Jameson reposts "B's" Charlevoix Timeline at www.webbsleuths.com

25. 2003-06-30: "B" on www.webbsleuths.com - "Message from B- Charlevoix events"
26. B posted BPD came to the house three times and never once dusted JonBenet's room?
27. B posted BPD knew about cowboy guy, never took bedding, did not seal room
28. B posted she and another friend got house ready for Ramsey June arrival in 97
29. B posted she didn't bagged the bedding, because she thought police did.
30. B posted statements were made by BPD request, on a questionaire and sent to BPD
31. B posted all the housekeepers have their copies of the questionaire
32. B posted copies given to Ramsey investigators by them (housekeepers?)
33. B posted Sheriff Laseter took the reports himself, done at the Sheriff's station
34. B posted "We can accomodate small jets here at our local airport"
35. B posted she contacted Mary Keenan's office last winter (2002?) to reopening chx events
36. B posted the wallpaper guy was there all winter in 96 working on that room!
37. B posted all the rooms were papered.
38. B posted that JonBenet's room was painted like a birdcage and very feminine.
39. B posted that Patsy questioned her Chx phone bill as there were weird calls on it.
40. B posted weird calls were after the wallpaper guy left, before they arrived in June of 96
41. B posted asking Jameson to send her Charlevoix Timeline to Lou Smit.

42. 2003-07-03: "B" on www.webbsleuths.com - "Message from B- Charlevoix events"
43. B posted Charlevoix house was originally done by an interior designer from Petoskey
44. B posted Linda Mason and she came in and redid some of the rooms
45. B posted Linda Mason came up with the birdcage idea.It was handpainted
46. B posted her friend does the yardwork at the Charlevoix house
47. B posted only about a three day window (cowboy bootman) could have been in there
48. B posted house was secured when they were gone but there were keys out there
49. B posted "Yes there was hidden key so person may have known that"
50. B posted No alarm system here (Charlevoix) until after her death

CHAIN OF EVENTS 1997

1997-11-07: Cops sought clues to threats - November 7, 1997

Unsealing of warrants reveals goals of January search of Ramseys' Michigan vacation home
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/1107jon1.html

Cops sought clues to threats
By Lisa Levitt Ryckman
November 7, 1997
%%byline%%By Lisa Levitt Ryckman
Rocky Mountain News Staff Writer

Police investigating the JonBenet Ramsey murder searched the family's Michigan vacation home in early January to look for evidence of a break-in or threats against the family.

The affidavit and search warrant released Thursday by District Judge Richard May allowed police to search the white Victorian-style home in the resort town of Charlevoix for answering-machine tapes, caller identification devices and documents that contained threats against any of the Ramseys.

"They found nothing, and they took nothing out of the house,'' Rachelle Zimmer, spokeswoman for the family, said.

In documents supporting the Jan. 5 search warrant, Boulder police Detective Jane Harmer said investigators wanted to look for any evidence that the Ramsey vacation home had been broken into or watched.

Six-year-old JonBenet's battered body was found in the basement of her Boulder home about eight hours after her mother, Patsy Ramsey, reported her missing. Her mother gave police a three-page ransom note she said she found on an interior stairway early that morning.

The note said JonBenet had been kidnapped by a "group representing a small foreign faction.'' Harmer used that fact to support her request for a search of the vacation home.

The house, which sits on a bluff overlooking Lake Michigan, has been a frequent retreat for the family and was their destination Dec. 26.

May delayed a ruling on a request by KMGH-Channel 7 and The Denver Post to unseal documents from a March search of the Charlevoix home.

Charlevoix County prosecutor Mary Beth Kur approved unsealing the papers from the first search but argued that the investigation could suffer serious damage if documents from the March search were released prior to an arrest in the case.

Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter has called John and Patsy Ramsey a focus of the investigation but has emphasized that all leads are being pursued.

The January search warrant said police would look for tapes from answering machines, caller ID devices or other phone recording devices.

They also were looking for mail or other papers "from any person, group or faction containing or alluding to threats to any member of the Ramsey family and ... physical evidence indicating that a breaking and entering or unlawful entry, illegal entry or surveillance has occurred in the home.''

The accompanying affidavit, signed by Harmer, said "there may be evidence that the Charlevoix home may have been watched by the perpetrators,'' who may have called or sent letters there to "monitor the comings and goings of the Ramsey family.''

Harmer said she also believed "the security of the Charlevoix home may have been compromised by the perpetrators.'' She did not elaborate.

May, who met privately Thursday with Harmer, said he might decide next week whether to unseal the documents from the second search.

Even if May decides to release the documents, they would remain sealed to give prosecutors 21 days to appeal.

In September, search warrants involving the Ramseys' Boulder home were released after a Boulder judge ruled that media leaks made it unnecessary to keep them secret.

And a judge signed yet another warrant Dec. 26 for a still publicly undisclosed property in Boulder County. That warrant will remain sealed unless an arrest is made in the murder.

CHAIN OF EVENTS 1999

1999-02-18: �Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, JonBenet and the City of Boulder�
Written by Lawrence Schiller, February 18, 1999

PMPT Page 121sb

"Meanwhile, Detectives Gosage and Harmer had gone to Charlevoix, Michigan, to search the Ramseys' summer house, a two-story white Victorian overlooking Round Lake, where they moored a powerboat, the Grand Season. They kept their sailboat, the Miss America, at nearby Lake Charlevoix. The detectives were looking for evidence that someone had attempted to contact the Ramseys with the intent of harming them. The police hoped that the Ramseys' caller ID telephone devices, answering machine tapes, computers, or mail might hold some clue about who might have murdered JonBenet. Perhaps there might be other evidence related to the crime scene. Also, they would contact several people about the Charlevoix Little Miss pageant. The police were hoping to learn more about JonBenet's pageant activities; In all, the detectives stayed in town for three days. They discovered nothing useful."

CHAIN OF EVENTS 2000

2000-03-18: �Death of Innocence� written by John and Patsy Ramsey

DOI Page 362

"Also, in the fall of 1996 Laura Stebe, the lady who kept an eye on our house in Charlevoix when we weren't there, went to the house and found an open, very neatly packed suitcase at the foot of JonBenet's bed. A pair of cowboy boots was sitting beside the suitcase. JonBenet's bed had obviously been slept in. Laura assumed we had given someone permission to use our home after we returned to Colorado. After JonBenet's murder, Laura called this incident to our attention. We had no idea who could have been in our house at that time. Could this intruder be related in some way to JonBenet's murder? Possibly. If someone entered our house and stayed there, why did he pick JonBenet's bed to sleep in? The house had nine beds. More important, who was he? This information was given to the Boulder police, but to our knowl-

DOI Page Page 363

edge was never followed up further with Laura."

2000-04-14: From www.webbsleuths.com Forum,
Thread titled, "Who was in the Charlevoix house?"

38 . "Charlevoix mystery"
Posted by B on Apr-14-00 at 10:08 PM (EST)

Yes the housekeepers came forward before BPD came to Charlevoix. The BPD never interviewed them on their trips here. They had the local Sheriffs dept. do it through a faxed questionarre.

To clarify:

a. it was a male

b. Small suitcase with male clothing neatly folded in it.

c. no other signs of anyone in house

d. BPD never sealed bedroom here or took evidence from that bedroom.

e. It was midweek and guests arriving for the weekend. Housekeeper had gone to house at the request of Patsy to check a wine stain on carpet from a charity function held at house the previous weekend.Why would Patsy call housekeeper to go to the house if someone was there???

d. No noted forced entry.

e. It was not unusal for guests to be at the house, what was unusual was a male staying in the girls bedroom. There was a "bunk" room for the boys with 4 single beds.

f. BPD never talked in person to caretakers.

How could they know the integrity of them if they never met them?

48 . "Why they sold Char;evoix house"
Posted by B on Apr-15-00 at 08:56 AM (EST)

They sold the house in Charlevoix because it was too visible and reporters had too much access to their privacy. Photographers jumping out bushes, camera surveillance from across the lake, they had no privacy.

47 . "New to the forum"
Posted by B on Apr-15-00 at 08:38 AM (EST)

I would like to put something before you as a new person to this.

In John and Patsy book they mention a person making a threat towards John at a gas station in Charlevoix, this happened about the same time the housekeeper found the suitcase and cowboy boots, and there was the person who came running out in front of the Ramsey house and made threats to the driver he flagged down. Who was this person? This has not been determined......?????

56 . "window in bedroom"
Posted by B on Apr-15-00 at 11:39 AM (EST)

This is to inform you the boys bedroom faced Hurlbut(facing away from lake) and the girls room had the round turret and it did not directly face the street. John and Patsy's room faced the lake above Belvedere Ave.

2000-08-29: John Ramsey Interview - Atlanta, Georgia
(Screen Capture from "CBS 48 Hours - Searching for a Killer" 10/04/2002)

John Ramsey Interview - Atlanta, Georgia - August 29, 2000
Interviewed by: Michael Kane, Bruce Levine, Mitch Morrissey,
Mark Beckner, Tom Wickman, Tom Trujillo and Jane Harmer

Ramsey Representatives Present: Lin Wood, Ollie Gray,
and John San Augustine

http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/2000ATL-John-Interview-Complete.htm

August 2000 John Ramsey Atlanta Interview
(JonBenet's Bed in Michigan)

0011
16 THE WITNESS: Well, I can tell
17 you that I think you know there was this
18 whole issue of some strange activity in the
19 Cherry Knolls, and I've often thought, you
20 know, we lived there, it was a small town,
21 we were higher profile, you know, perhaps we
22 went to the wrong place.
23 I spent a little time this summer
24 talking to some of the people that I know
25 our investigators talked to. Some of the

August 2000 John Ramsey Atlanta Interview
(JonBenet's Bed in Michigan)

0012
1 information that I heard secondhand wasn't as
2 strong as I thought it was in terms of being
3 interesting.
4 We had the incident of someone
5 sleeping in JonBenet's bed while we were
6 gone. We had the incident of somebody
7 running down the hill saying they were going
8 to get even with me and harm my daughter.
9 I don't know if there is anything there or
10 not, but I think it's foolish not to look at
11 that.

2000-09-07: From www.webbsleuths.com Forum,
Thread titled, "Charlevoix-1996"

"Charlevoix-1996"
Posted by B on Sep-07-00 at 03:58 PM (EST)

If any of you have questions I will try to get the answers.

We have three incidences in Chx, all ocurring in approximately the same time period. This info was not made public until after DOI came out. Noone has come forward and said "Hey I stayed at your house". We do have a description from the gas attendent but it has not been corroborated as of yet by Handicap driver. (Please if you read here mail your info to Jams) I personally know and talked with neighbor the handicap driver approached and talked with. I think we need to find out if "Boots" has Michigan connections and if he was here in the fall of 96????

3 . "Guppy" Posted by B on Sep-07-00 at 07:57 PM (EST)
LAST EDITED ON Sep-07-00 AT 07:59 PM (EST)

The cowboy boots were on the dressier side.Not beat up at all. She wasn't in the room a long time so doesn't have specifics.

The suitcase was a small travel size suitcase, black. Clothes neatly folded inside,male clothes.

Whoever this was he was orderly.

26 . "FYI"
Posted by B on Sep-09-00 at 04:40 PM (EST)

The handicap guy did not drive a van. I have informed Jams of this and if it not corrected on the timeline, she hasn't gotten to it yet.

Yes the housekeeper is aware that the person could have still been in the house. But he could have had another pair of footwear too.Such as loafers or sandals.

There were two housekeepers that went together.

They went in to check a winestain from the party. Patsy had called and asked her to do so. She wouldnot have called if she knew someone was at the house staying there. She would have called her own houseguest to check it.

I have asked John personally to check phone records for that time period. They did have a phone jack on the front porch. Whether or not he has I have no idea.

Description of guy in gas station:

"well dressed bum,other times dressed nicer.Guy was older than college age, mid 30's,Carried alot of cash. He had a strange nose, like it had been broke in the past. He had longer hair, shoulder length. Talked about ice-skating. Said he had unfinished business in Colorado. " He puts this incident closer to the end of Sept./ early Oct.

I do not know about suitcase at the colorado house.

Maybe Jams can fill in here. Apparently there was an evidence photo of a suitcase there.

The 2nd housekeeper said she had never seen this suitcase before at the house. Male houseguests usually stayed in the boys "bunk" room. Or in the guest bedroom downstairs.

She also said another housekeeper who helped that summer only has never been contacted. She has since moved away from the area.

Charlevoix is a resort area. Most everything is within walking distance. I think the guy fleeing had to make a quick get away and mayhave been startled. Even though the house faces Belvedere it is normally entered off of Hurlbut through the garage or the "front" door. which is at the side of the house. He could have been hanging out at the bottom of the hill just casing the place. There are bushes and it would be easy to do. (The tabloids did it so it can be done)

I really hope the driver reads Jams forum and contacts her. He would be able to shed some light on all this.

31 . "Answers"
Posted by B on Sep-09-00 at 08:01 PM (EST)

The Ramseys were here for Labor Day and than left.

The housekeepers went in and cleaned. The house was used for a private party,Ramseys were not in attendence. Close friends were the host and hostess. This was mid Sept.

After the party Patsy called the housekeeper to go check a wine stain.

I didn't think about it being the same as the housekeeper going in. Only person who would know this date would be the handicap driver. I am sure he has it memorized. John's brother was due to arrive the following weekend. So there is a small window for this person being in the house. The housekeeper may have spooked him. She said she went in late afternoon. Driver could answer question as to whether or not he was carrying luggage too. I have been informed he has moved away from here, but cannot confirm this.

37 . "more answers"
Posted by B on Sep-10-00 at 12:58 PM (EST)

wine stain was in living room by piano. Host called patsy and offered to have it cleaned.

Housekeepers did a house check to see if anything needed to be retouched up after the party so one checked up and one down.

The gas staion is near the corner of the end of the h.s. football field. The guy apparently hung out by fence outside too. He did come in and make small talk once in awhile. Talked about skating alot.

Housekeeper did call Patsy about wine stain but can't remember if she brought up suitcase and boots. She thinks she did. She left an answer on the machine. Not sure if they ever got it.

Hindsight is 20/20.

CHAIN OF EVENTS 2001

2001-02-10: From www.webbsleuths.com Forum,
Thread titled, "CHARLEVOIX Timeline"

3 . "They had one of those services"
Posted by B on Feb-10-01 at 09:28 PM (EST)

thru the phone company. You would call and get a recording and then hear Patsy say "the Ramseys".

I don't think they had a tape machine kind but had to call in and get their messages.

""CHARLEVOIX Timeline""
Posted by jameson on May-27-01 at 10:06 PM (EST)

"CHARLEVOIX Timeline"
Posted by B on Feb-10-01 at 09:02 PM (EST)
LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-01 AT 09:12 PM (EST)

1996

Winter and Spring of 1996, house being redecorated my local Interior Designer for upcoming Summer 96 Home Tour.

Wallpaperer worked through out the winter and Spring to paint and wallpaper. Master Bedroom completely repapered and carpeted. Entry way repapered. Kitchen repapered. Living room repainted, new drappperies installed. Alot of work was done in the quiet months.This guy was never contacted by anyone to get his input on anything weird happening at house while he worked.

Housekeepers worked in Spring to ready the house for the summer, construction clean-up.

June 96- Ramseys arrive to their renovated home.

Head Caretaker submits bill to Patsy who in turn asks about questionable phone calls made from their Chx number. She doesn't expand and the conversation is forgotten.

Summer 96- Home tour in July.

JonBenet attends Pageants off and on. Guests come and go. Ramseys house is "sold" in a Charlevoix Charity Auction for a night. It was bought by their close friends, Susan and Brownie Flanders.

August- They leave in mid August to return to get ready for school to start.

Labor Day- Return and spend the long weekend with family and friends.

House is cleaned thoroughly after the "season" ends.

Mid Sept. (a Sat.) A Wine and Cheese Party is held at the Ramsey home with a small group of friends. Ramseys were not there. It was a rainy night and party was moved inside.

Hostess left house in impeccable order though she called Patsy in Boulder to say a glass of wine was spilled and asked her what she wanted to do about it. Patsy calls caretaker in Charlevoix to go check winestain and clean it or have it cleaned. She states her brother-in-law and family are coming for a vacation the following weekend.Stain is near piano. Housekeepers stop there midweek after party. This is when the discovery of the suitcase and boots is made.

They assume it is the pilot or a guest. She calls and leaves a message on their machine in Boulder.(She is told later they never got it). At this point in time caretakers are not concerned about the boots and suitcase as people are always coming and going there. House doesn't appear to be disturbed, hostess cleaned up well, upstairs is like they left it, except towels are moved(wine and cheese guests?) and bed appears messed up and not made the way they did it. They leave.

Jeff Ramsey and family arrive for a weeks vacation.Housekeeper stops back, house is in the "lived in" state. She calls Patsy in Boulder and she says that John will put the porch furniture away and not to worry about it. Jeff can help him.

Guy running out from bottom of hill is picked up by local handicapped guy driving down Belvedere Ave. He rants and raves about John Ramsey. This guy tries to contact the Ramseys thru a neighbor. They never connect. I am unsure of when this incident happened. It is in a police report somewhere.I was told he did approach the house and there was a party or something and he didn't want to disturb it. This leads me to believe it was in Sept. when this happened. He is in a wheelchair and it is not that easy for him to get around.

John flies up and they close up the house and boats. Incident at the gas station occurs which he is totally unaware of.This is in October.

Ramseys come for Color tour in October as ususal.

December 22-23 Patsy calls caretaker and tells her they are coming on Christmas Day and could she decorate the house prior to their arrival.

She would like garland and a tree if possible.

Than she decides to call interior decorator instead to see if she can do it. The house magically gets decorated. She tells her that she was just there to check the heat and all was fine. No messages on the answering machine. The Ramseys never come.

John Andrew and Melinda leave for Charlevoix from Atlanta. They will meet up with their parents and arrive in Charlevoix together.Instead they recived an emergency call in the airport they will never forget.

December 25, 1996 JonBenet is murdered. She never gets to go on the Big Red Boat cruise which she was so looking forward to.

January 97- Housekeepers call Sheriff and come forward with the info about the suitcase and boots being in the house. They are interviewed by Sheriff Lasater. He contacts the BPD who in turn send him a list of questions they want answered.

The housekeepers fill out the questionarres and return them. It would be weeks before any of them are contacted by the BPD. The BPD comes to Charlevoix but doesn't contact them???They call instead from Boulder.

The information about the suitcase and cowboy boots is not made public until it comes out in DOI.

Locks are changed at the Charlevoix house. One close friend now has the key to the house. No it is not me!

March 97- Jon Foster comes to Charlevoix to do interviews. He is a Ramsey investigator. He talks with their friends, family and gas station attendent. This information about the gas station is not told to the BPD.

Spring 97- Jon Foster returns and does follow up interviews.Security system installed in the house. They get a specially trained dog to be near Burke.

June 97-Friends prepare the Charlevoix house for arrival of the Ramseys. The house has sat quiet all winter except for the BPD visits to them, and a friend checking on it for them now. All keys that were out are painstakingly collected by a close friend.

The tabloids start arriving in Charlevoix.

They stay at the two hotels across the lake with a birds eye view of the house. They hangout at the local 7-11. They call every beauty shop in town to see if JonBenet had her hair dyed there.

They are intrusive and unwanted.Noone talks to them. They can not find out much at all. They follow the Ramseys all over town, the Stines run interference.The cable tv is not hooked up.

Portable phones are unhooked. Shutters are drawn.

Late June early July - The wheelchair driver comes to the house. Patsy is alone. She calls a friend to come over. She calls the local police. She calls Lou Smit. He gives a statement to the police. He is distraught that he wasn't able to contact them.

Suicide report about John. TV crew comes by to verify and catch John driving away in his jeep!

Wife of tabloid editor befriends Patsy. She becomes part of the inner circle. They buy her painting of "Summerhill", their friends buy her paintings. Than the headlines read there is an inside scoop. She betrays them by printing intimate details of their pain.

Anniversery of JonBenet's Birthday comes.

CHAIN OF EVENTS 2003

2003-06-30: From www.webbsleuths.com Forum,
Thread titled, "Message from B- Charlevoix events"

Myself
unregistered user
Jun-30-03, 09:44 PM (EST)

"Message from B- Charlevoix events"

B cannot post due to computer glitch but she has emailed me back and has the following message:

From B

It was newer suitcase, boots were beside it. Room was girlish and frilly and not geared towards a male guest. House had a guest room on main floor.

Housekeeper was not informed of guest staying midweek-John's brother arriving on the weekend. Housekeeper made a walk thru after wine party and found Suitcase which contained very neatly folded undershirts and personal clothing. Bed was slept "ON" not "IN", as stated. Coverlet was disturbed as if someone rested but sheets were not slept in. No other rooms were disturbed. It was not a vagrant, he was too neat.

Ramsey friends had a wine and cheese party there -cowboy boots man was there on a Tuesday/Wednesday-cleaning ladies there to check wine stain on Thursday and found boots. Called Ramsey home in Co and left message about wine stain from their Chx home. Left word about unknown guest. Message was never rec'd by the Ramsey's.

Additionally in Late Fall of 96 there was a man hanging out at the local Shell station going on about Co. and brought up John's name, talked about skating. Wore a long coat. Well groomed, did not drive, had lot's of cash. Wheelchair guy driver tried to contact Ramsey family after JonBenet's death in regard's to a person he picked up fleeing out there front yard who wanted a ride to the airport.

Husband of one of the housecleaners worked at Shell station and reported this to Ramsey investigators in Feb 97. Just strange occurrences that all need to be tied together. Hindsight...............

You can cut and paste this in if you want. I can't post, computer has a glitch apparently.

B

B
Member since Jun-29-03
1 posts Jul-01-03, 08:02 AM (EST)

4. "RE: Gas Station Guy"
In response to message #3

HI everyone! Jams finally figured out what the problem was and we got it fixed after months of not be able to post! Thank you Jameson! I have felt disconnected.

All the events that happened here are probably related but how?

The guy at the gas station would not have known the cashier was the husband of one of the housekeepers, it was not known really as it was a temp job. He did do a sketch with the original Ramsey investigators in the spring of 97 but noone knows where it is, probably in one of the many boxes shipped to Lin Wood. Ramseys have never seen it.

BPD came to the house three times I believe and never once dusted JonBenet's room here, even after they knew about cowboy guy, never took bedding, did not seal room. Another close friend and I were the ones who got the house ready for Ramsey June arrival(not housekeepers) in 97 and I should have bagged the bedding, I didn't as I thought the police knew what they were doing. I wish I had.

Wheelchair guy is pretty much incapacitated now, noone to my knowledge has ever questioned him thoroughly. He lives near me somewhere but I have been told he isn't doing well.

B
unregistered user
Jul-01-03, 08:59 AM (EST)

10. "RE: B and CHX"
In response to message #8

No there is no record in Chx, as statements were made by BPD request, on a questionaire and sent to BPD. All the housekeepers have their copies. Copies given to Ramsey investigators by them.

B
unregistered user
Jul-01-03, 09:58 PM (EST)

21. "Candy"
In response to message #16

They were done at the Sheriff's station on a questionairre provided by the BPD. Not at the police station. Sheriff Laseter took the reports himself. The guy fleeing the house was never reported and either was the gas station guy as he wasn't menacing. The cowboy boot was not reported until Jan 97 to the Sheriff. BPD would have the originals. Housekeepers all have their copies. Housekeeper made contact witht he sheriff not the other way around.

B
unregistered user
Jul-01-03, 10:05 PM (EST)

22. "Charlevoix"
In response to message #21

Just for the record I know Chief Halverson here well. I also want to tell you we protect our own and anyone who called about the Ramsey case were probably not taken seriously unless it was another police officer or investigator.There were too many tabloids here in the beginning so it has made us all wary of people wanting info. Chx has been a safe place for them and will continue to be so. As I stated it was not at the city police dept so sorry if you went on a wild goose chase. Candy I don't want to argue and I just got to be able to post after months of frustration of not being able too. If the DA wants a copy of the reports he will get them.

B
unregistered user
Jul-02-03, 08:22 AM (EST)

30. "replies"
In response to message #29

Hi-yes I am posting but haven't caught up on other threads but apparently I need to speed read!

DB- bedroom was very child like, toys and such in there, cleaned up for photo shoot.

Lilac- Message left on remote voicemail, kind you have to call in for, not a machine.

Wheelchiar guy is pretty much homebound. I think he felt real bad about not coming forward, but he did try to get their number after her death but went to the wrong people.

Neighbors that wouldn't know.

Plus they were hard to contact after her death. I think he thought he had to tell them directly vs the police. I think he came across disoriented and nervous from what I gather. I think he had a clue that got lost in the shuffle.

We can accomodate small jets here at our local airport.

B
unregistered user
Jul-03-03, 05:46 PM (EST)

51. "answer to ?'s"
In response to message #50

Mary Keenan's office was contacted by me last winter in regard's to the reopening of the case and Chx events.

Wallpaper guy was there all winter in 96 working on that room! All the rooms were papered. That room was John and Patsy's. The other was Burke's. DB do you have one of JonBenet's room, it was painted like a birdcage and very feminine.

If you look at me timeline, Patsy questioned her Chx phone bill as there were weird calls on it. It was after the wallpaper guy left and before they arrived in June of 96. Not sure where the calls were too but she did wonder about them. BPD never checked this out either.

It is the Chicago Club and Belvedere Club. Belvedere is mostly people from MO and TN. I don't know much about the Chicago Club, it is smaller.

It was an remote answering service like DB describes above.

Jams can you forward my timeline to Lou please.

I think the events prior ro her death need to be reexamined.

I think the White's actions that summer need to be evaluated.

JMO

B
unregistered user
Jul-03-03, 11:20 PM (EST)

5. "answers"
In response to message #4

House was originally done by an interior designer from Petoskey, but than Patsy hooked up with Linda Mason and she came in and redid some of the rooms and added more detail and flare.Linda Mason, the interior designer came up with the birdcage idea.It was handpainted. The house was very warm and inviting. She had carte blanche to do whatever.

The house is currently for sale again. People who bought it from Chicago (I think ) have let it go and it needs alot of work.

House was not really open to the public, they had it on the 96 Home tour.It was auctioned off at our local auction for the pool I think. Friends bought it, it was not a large group at the wine and cheese party, probably less than 30. It was a rainy night.

DB- simple answering service.

B
unregistered user
Jul-04-03, 09:41 AM (EST)

9. "RE: post brought forward"
In response to message #8

My friend does the yardwork there and I think it was financial reasons. All the rosebushes have not been maintained, it needs painting outside

B
Member since Jun-29-03
4 posts Jul-06-03, 12:51 PM (EST)

37. "RE: Charlevoix bedroom"
In response to message #36

DB_Yes this photo is after her death, it was taken during an interview session they had. Boots and suitcase were gone by the time John's brother and family arrived for a week's stay at the Chx. house. So it is assumed person was only there for a short time. They have asked and noone and owned up to being there. This would have been Sept. 96.

B
Member since Jun-29-03
4 posts Jul-06-03, 11:39 PM (EST)

42. "RE: Charlevoix bedroom"
In response to message #41

No I can't tell you what they looked like. A good description was given to the original Ramsey investigator in winter 97. I think she (second housekeeper) said they were newer and not worn. Suitcase was newer, small. It is not like she sat there and stared at it, she lifted the cover saw it was neat inside and let it back down and checked the rest of the upstairs. They really thought it was a Ramsey friend. Nothing was alarming about it. Person could have been in the house at the same time. It was out of place. There really was only about a three day window this person could have been in there.

Yes house was secured when they were gone but there were keys out there. Yes there was hidden key so person may have known that. Not many did. No alarm system here until after her death.

Most of the people who were at the party knew John and Patsy and had been to the house before. They are good friends who bought it for the night. If I remember right, the wheelchair guy said he drove by the night of the party to tell the Ramsey's about the guy running out of the yard and what he said and did, but didn't stop because of the party. He didn't come back as they were gone for he summer. Why he didn't go to the police is not known. He is definitely someone who should have been interviewed.

2003-07-15: From www.webbsleuths.com Forum,
Thread titled, "CHX Timeline"

B
Member since Jun-29-03
26 posts Jul-15-03, 09:06 PM (EST)

24. "RE: Contractors in the house"
In response to message #23

As far as the contractor is concerned, he was from Harbor Springs.

Everything had been settled, but he was way behind and when Patsy arrived to move into the house it was not finished, I think Nedra ended up stepping in as Patsy was recovering from Chemo, JonBenet was 3 and it was not an ideal situation. Carpet was not in, bathrooms not done, it was a nightmare. I don't remember how they got hooked up with him, it was before they knew anyone here.

DB-Chx is easy to get around in without transportation. It is not that big, one main drag, a drawbridge and two lights.

As for the winter of 96, the decorator handled it and her subs were pd. This is a small town and she has a good rep.

B
Member since Jun-29-03
26 posts Jul-16-03, 08:27 AM (EST)

30. "RE: Contractors don't always finish on t"
In response to message #28

I think it was settled amicably (sp) but late. Patsy had just finished chemo, Nedra was with her here, John was back and forth to Co. It was just behind. I didn't know them well than so I don't know.

But when it was done it was done. Most of the subs were from Harbor or Petoskey area. Not Charlevoix subs.

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