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Thread titled, "Message from B- Charlevoix events"
Jun-30-03, 09:44 PM (EST)
"Message from B- Charlevoix events"
B cannot post due to computer glitch but she has emailed me back and has the following message:
It was newer suitcase, boots were beside it. Room was girlish and frilly and not geared towards a male guest. House had a guest room on main floor.
Housekeeper was not informed of guest staying midweek-John's brother arriving on the weekend. Housekeeper made a walk thru after wine party and found Suitcase which contained very neatly folded undershirts and personal clothing. Bed was slept "ON" not "IN", as stated. Coverlet was disturbed as if someone rested but sheets were not slept in. No other rooms were disturbed. It was not a vagrant, he was too neat.
Ramsey friends had a wine and cheese party there -cowboy boots man was there on a Tuesday/Wednesday-cleaning ladies there to check wine stain on Thursday and found boots. Called Ramsey home in Co and left message about wine stain from their Chx home. Left word about unknown guest. Message was never rec'd by the Ramsey's.
Additionally in Late Fall of 96 there was a man hanging out at the local Shell station going on about Co. and brought up John's name, talked about skating. Wore a long coat. Well groomed, did not drive, had lot's of cash. Wheelchair guy driver tried to contact Ramsey family after JonBenet's death in regard's to a person he picked up fleeing out there front yard who wanted a ride to the airport.
Husband of one of the housecleaners worked at Shell station and reported this to Ramsey investigators in Feb 97. Just strange occurrences that all need to be tied together. Hindsight...............
You can cut and paste this in if you want. I can't post, computer has a glitch apparently.
Member since Jun-29-03
1 posts Jul-01-03, 08:02 AM (EST)
4. "RE: Gas Station Guy"
In response to message #3
HI everyone! Jams finally figured out what the problem was and we got it fixed after months of not be able to post! Thank you Jameson! I have felt disconnected.
All the events that happened here are probably related but how?
The guy at the gas station would not have known the cashier was the husband of one of the housekeepers, it was not known really as it was a temp job. He did do a sketch with the original Ramsey investigators in the spring of 97 but noone knows where it is, probably in one of the many boxes shipped to Lin Wood. Ramseys have never seen it.
BPD came to the house three times I believe and never once dusted JonBenet's room here, even after they knew about cowboy guy, never took bedding, did not seal room. Another close friend and I were the ones who got the house ready for Ramsey June arrival(not housekeepers) in 97 and I should have bagged the bedding, I didn't as I thought the police knew what they were doing. I wish I had.
Wheelchair guy is pretty much incapacitated now, noone to my knowledge has ever questioned him thoroughly. He lives near me somewhere but I have been told he isn't doing well.
Jul-01-03, 08:59 AM (EST)
10. "RE: B and CHX"
In response to message #8
No there is no record in Chx, as statements were made by BPD request, on a questionaire and sent to BPD. All the housekeepers have their copies. Copies given to Ramsey investigators by them.
Jul-01-03, 09:58 PM (EST)
In response to message #16
They were done at the Sheriff's station on a questionairre provided by the BPD. Not at the police station. Sheriff Laseter took the reports himself. The guy fleeing the house was never reported and either was the gas station guy as he wasn't menacing. The cowboy boot was not reported until Jan 97 to the Sheriff. BPD would have the originals. Housekeepers all have their copies. Housekeeper made contact witht he sheriff not the other way around.
Jul-01-03, 10:05 PM (EST)
In response to message #21
Just for the record I know Chief Halverson here well. I also want to tell you we protect our own and anyone who called about the Ramsey case were probably not taken seriously unless it was another police officer or investigator.There were too many tabloids here in the beginning so it has made us all wary of people wanting info. Chx has been a safe place for them and will continue to be so. As I stated it was not at the city police dept so sorry if you went on a wild goose chase. Candy I don't want to argue and I just got to be able to post after months of frustration of not being able too. If the DA wants a copy of the reports he will get them.
Jul-02-03, 08:22 AM (EST)
In response to message #29
Hi-yes I am posting but haven't caught up on other threads but apparently I need to speed read!
DB- bedroom was very child like, toys and such in there, cleaned up for photo shoot.
Lilac- Message left on remote voicemail, kind you have to call in for, not a machine.
Wheelchiar guy is pretty much homebound. I think he felt real bad about not coming forward, but he did try to get their number after her death but went to the wrong people.
Neighbors that wouldn't know.
Plus they were hard to contact after her death. I think he thought he had to tell them directly vs the police. I think he came across disoriented and nervous from what I gather. I think he had a clue that got lost in the shuffle.
We can accomodate small jets here at our local airport.
Jul-03-03, 05:46 PM (EST)
51. "answer to ?'s"
In response to message #50
Mary Keenan's office was contacted by me last winter in regard's to the reopening of the case and Chx events.
Wallpaper guy was there all winter in 96 working on that room! All the rooms were papered. That room was John and Patsy's. The other was Burke's. DB do you have one of JonBenet's room, it was painted like a birdcage and very feminine.
If you look at me timeline, Patsy questioned her Chx phone bill as there were weird calls on it. It was after the wallpaper guy left and before they arrived in June of 96. Not sure where the calls were too but she did wonder about them. BPD never checked this out either.
It is the Chicago Club and Belvedere Club. Belvedere is mostly people from MO and TN. I don't know much about the Chicago Club, it is smaller.
It was an remote answering service like DB describes above.
Jams can you forward my timeline to Lou please.
I think the events prior ro her death need to be reexamined.
I think the White's actions that summer need to be evaluated.
Jul-03-03, 11:20 PM (EST)
In response to message #4
House was originally done by an interior designer from Petoskey, but than Patsy hooked up with Linda Mason and she came in and redid some of the rooms and added more detail and flare.Linda Mason, the interior designer came up with the birdcage idea.It was handpainted. The house was very warm and inviting. She had carte blanche to do whatever.
The house is currently for sale again. People who bought it from Chicago (I think ) have let it go and it needs alot of work.
House was not really open to the public, they had it on the 96 Home tour.It was auctioned off at our local auction for the pool I think. Friends bought it, it was not a large group at the wine and cheese party, probably less than 30. It was a rainy night.
DB- simple answering service.
Jul-04-03, 09:41 AM (EST)
9. "RE: post brought forward"
In response to message #8
My friend does the yardwork there and I think it was financial reasons. All the rosebushes have not been maintained, it needs painting outside
Member since Jun-29-03
4 posts Jul-06-03, 12:51 PM (EST)
37. "RE: Charlevoix bedroom"
In response to message #36
DB_Yes this photo is after her death, it was taken during an interview session they had. Boots and suitcase were gone by the time John's brother and family arrived for a week's stay at the Chx. house. So it is assumed person was only there for a short time. They have asked and noone and owned up to being there. This would have been Sept. 96.
Member since Jun-29-03
4 posts Jul-06-03, 11:39 PM (EST)
42. "RE: Charlevoix bedroom"
In response to message #41
No I can't tell you what they looked like. A good description was given to the original Ramsey investigator in winter 97. I think she (second housekeeper) said they were newer and not worn. Suitcase was newer, small. It is not like she sat there and stared at it, she lifted the cover saw it was neat inside and let it back down and checked the rest of the upstairs. They really thought it was a Ramsey friend. Nothing was alarming about it. Person could have been in the house at the same time. It was out of place. There really was only about a three day window this person could have been in there.
Yes house was secured when they were gone but there were keys out there. Yes there was hidden key so person may have known that. Not many did. No alarm system here until after her death.
Most of the people who were at the party knew John and Patsy and had been to the house before. They are good friends who bought it for the night. If I remember right, the wheelchair guy said he drove by the night of the party to tell the Ramsey's about the guy running out of the yard and what he said and did, but didn't stop because of the party. He didn't come back as they were gone for he summer. Why he didn't go to the police is not known. He is definitely someone who should have been interviewed.