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Evidence - Duct Tape

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CHAIN OF EVENTS 1997


1997-04-30: John Ramsey Interrogation by Steve Thomas, Tom Trujillo

John Ramsey Interrogation by Steve Thomas, Tom Trujillo
Also present, Pat Burke, Bryan Morgan, Pete Hoffstrom, Jon Foster
April 30, 1997 - Boulder, Colorado
http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/1997BPD-John-Interview-Complete.htm



TT: When you saw the white blanket, was JonBenet completely covered up? How was she laying there, cause I wasn’t there that day.
JR: She was laying on the blanket, and the blanket was kind of folded around her legs. And her arms were tied behind her head, and there was some pieces of black tape (inaudible) on her legs, and her head was cocked to the side.



ST: Was it fairly immediate in which you removed the tape and the binding?
JR: I immediately moved the tape.
ST: The tape first?
JR: Yeah.
ST: And do you recall if you just simply discarded the tape on to the ground?
JR: I just, yeah, I just, I don’t know what I did with it, but I just discarded it.




1997-04-30: Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Steve Thomas, Tom Trujillo

Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Steve Thomas, Tom Trujillo
Also present, Pat Burke, Bryan Morgan, Pete Hoffstrom, Jon Foster
April 30, 1997 - Boulder, Colorado
http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/1997BPD-Patsy-Interview-Complete.htm



ST: Let me show you a couple of tings. Patsy, does this look like duct tape that you’ve ever owned or used or had in the home.
PR: Um, no
ST: Do you recall ever having any duct tape or multi-purpose tape like that in the home.
PR: No.
ST: Okay. How about cord such as this? Have you ever seen or used or owned or had such cord in the home?
PR: Um, not to my knowledge, no, I’ve never seen…
ST: Doesn’t look familiar at all?
PR: No.
ST: Okay. Patsy, when were you last in Athens, Georgia?
PR: Athens, Georgia? Uh, probably, by stepdaughter went to college there. I was probably there for something.
ST: But, that’s Melinda I’m assuming?
PR: Yeah.
ST: And that would have been some time ago?
PR: Yeah, it would have been, well, let’s see, she’s been in nursing school for two years. At least a couple of years ago.
ST: And the point of my question being if somebody was alleging that you were in Athens, Georgia between Thanksgiving and Christmas of last year would they be mistaken in that recollection?
PR: Yeah, (inaudible) Athens, Georgia.
ST: Okay.
PR: I was Rome, Georgia. I wasn’t in Athens, Georgia.
ST: Ad Rome, where, you were at the Saturday after Thanksgiving for the…
PR: Pageant.
ST: …pageant.
PR: Right.
ST: Okay. That’s all I have for now



CHAIN OF EVENTS 1998


[Patsy Ramsey, June 1998 Interviews]1998-06-23: Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Thomas Haney and Trip DeMuth (Screen Capture on left is from "CBS 48 Hours Investigates - Searching for a Killer" 10/04/2002)

Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Thomas Haney and Trip DeMuth - Present also were Patrick Burke and Ellis Armistead June 23, 24, 25, 1998 - Boulder, Colorado

http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/1998BPD-Patsy-Interview-Complete.htm

June 1998 Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Thomas Haney and Trip DeMuth (Duct Tape)

0397
1 done myself.
2 TOM HANEY: Pretty much you are out there by
3 yourself?
4 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh.
5 TOM HANEY: We talked about your painting
6 supplies, where you did that. How about, where would
7 you get household hardware type of items, those kind of
8 things?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: (Inaudible), I mean light
10 bulbs, that stuff I usually get at the grocery store.
11 TOM HANEY: Do you recall purchasing duct
12 tape and cord (inaudible) in the early part of December
13 of '96?
14 PATSY RAMSEY: No. I never used this type of
15 stuff. I use -- I would buy the multiple rolls of the
16 clear.
17 TOM HANEY: Clear tape?
18 PATSY RAMSEY: Clear tape.
19 TOM HANEY: You don't recall making a
20 purchase of either or both of those things, like I
21 said, back in early December, December 2nd of '96?
22 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
23 TOM HANEY: Do you ever recall purchasing
24 black duct tape?
25 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

0398
1 TOM HANEY: Ever have it around the house?
2 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't remember seeing any.
3 I have my tape in the little drawer by the
4 refrigerator, but it was usually masking tape and the
5 clear tape for the UPS box.
6 TOM HANEY: It seems like you -- there can't
7 be a house in the world that doesn't have duct tape
8 because it repairs everything.
9 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I never liked it because
10 it is so gooey. Isn't it gooey?
11 TOM HANEY: Yeah.
12 PATSY RAMSEY: Most of the stuff I would take
13 would be stuff for, you know, stuff for the kids. It
14 would be clear. That is what I got. (Inaudible).
15 TOM HANEY: Okay. How about this cord, that
16 is nylon utility cord?
17 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
18 TOM HANEY: You don't recall purchasing
19 anything like that anywhere else?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
21 TOM HANEY: Do you remember seeing any around
22 the house or attached to anything? Could you have
23 gotten a package tied with such cord?
24 PATSY RAMSEY: No. I usually get UPS and
25 they don't use that anymore. I mean, the post office
.

June 1998 Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Thomas Haney and Trip DeMuth (Duct Tape)

0399
1 used it, the twine.
2 TOM HANEY: Not familiar.
3 PATSY RAMSEY: Huh-uh.


(SNIP)


0461
1 PATSY RAMSEY: It was normally open.
2 TRIP DEMUTH: Okay.
3 PATSY RAMSEY: (Inaudible).
4 TOM HANEY: How about 375, just a close up
5 again, and 376.
6 PATSY RAMSEY: That looks like that might be
7 that little sink in the basement. Yeah, the sink in
8 the basement. I think that is the sink in the
9 basement, yeah.
10 TOM HANEY: Nothing out of the ordinary?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
12 TOM HANEY: 381.
13 TRIP DEMUTH: Take this out.
14 PATSY RAMSEY: Junk drawer. (Inaudible).
15 Golf ball it looks like to me. Tape. (Inaudible),
16 maybe. Junk.
17 TOM HANEY: Another --
18 PATSY RAMSEY: Pen in the junk drawer. Can't
19 tell where it is, either in the kitchen or in the bar
20 area.
21 TRIP DEMUTH: Do you know who that tape would
22 belong to?
23 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I don't. (Inaudible).
24 John would know better than me. I never used it. I
25 always used the clear stuff.

0462
1 TOM HANEY: 382. Try to keep them in order.
2 PATSY RAMSEY: That looks like the top of the
3 bar.
4 TRIP DEMUTH: Which bar?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: The little bar area there
6 below the staircase, the circular stairs. John's
7 office or something, basket full of whatever, mail. I
8 don't know.
9 TRIP DEMUTH: 383.
10 PATSY RAMSEY: The same basket with a pen in
11 it.
12 TRIP DEMUTH: That wouldn't be unusual?
13 PATSY RAMSEY: No. I mean, you know, even
14 the marker, the pens, they were all over the place.


[John Ramsey, June 1998 Interviews]1998-06-23: John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Screen Capture on left is from "CBS 48 Hours Investigates - Searching for a Killer" 10/04/2002)

John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane
Present also were Bryan Morgan, PI David Williams
June 23, 24, 25, 1998 - Boulder, Colorado


http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/1998BPD-John-Interview-Complete.htm

June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Duct Tape)

0290
5 LOU SMIT: Photograph number --
6 JOHN RAMSEY: -- 149, that was like
7 (INAUDIBLE) what looks like a big piece of duct
8 tape. That doesn't look like that tape I took off
9 JonBenet's mouth.
10 LOU SMIT: Okay. And why do you say that?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, because as I recall,
12 it was black. It was like a little larger than
13 electrical tape in width. And it struck me, and as
14 I thought about it later, as the kind of tape you
15 might use in sailing to wrap around the stanchion
16 or something.
17 LOU SMIT: The black tape?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.
19 LOU SMIT: Have you used that type of
20 tape on (INAUDIBLE)?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: No, I didn't recognize it.
22 But in this picture, it looks like a piece of duct
23 tape. A big piece of duct tape. And that's not
24 what I remember.
25 LOU SMIT: Okay. That's on photograph number --

0291
1 JOHN RAMSEY: 149. Cause it was like stuck
2 to the blanket almost in this picture.
3 LOU SMIT: What are you thinking?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: It's just hard to look at these,
5 that's all. Basically JonBenet was right here.
6 LOU SMIT: If you want to get off this,
7 we can?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: No, that's okay. Sorry.
.

June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Duct Tape)

0291
9 LOU SMIT: You touched on something, you know,
10 and I was going to ask you about that tape later
11 on and the cord. But you mentioned that the tape
12 that you took off JonBenet, we're trying to
13 determine if in fact you could have been in
14 contact with that type of tape. And you mentioned
15 something about that's the type you seen on a
16 stanchion.
17 JOHN RAMSEY: Well it's just it wasn't
18 a tape that looked familiar to me, or it looked
19 like it wasn't torn, it was cut perfectly,
20 literally, that it fit her mouth. It was black, it
21 wider than electrical tape, but not as wide as
22 duct tape. I mean I know what duct tape is; it
23 wasn't duct tape.
24 Just thinking about it later, where do you get
25 this kind of tape? It's a little wider, and I've

0292
1 seen it in white before. It's kind of a utility
2 tape that you can use on a sailboat in boating.
3 LOU SMIT: Okay.
4 JOHN RAMSEY: And we had some, and
5 there's white. Somebody had (INAUDIBILE) that they
6 wrapped around rough edges, the stanchion, so that
7 the sail didn't catch it and tear. It was just
8 kind of a wider utility tape. I don't remember if
9 we had any black or not. But certainly white.
10 LOU SMIT: And this would have been where?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: Up at Michigan.
12 LOU SMIT: Michigan, okay.
13 JOHN RAMSEY: It wasn't a big piece of
14 duct tape like that.

CHAIN OF EVENTS 2004


[Forums For Justice]2004-01-14: The Bonita Papers-1999 (Black Duct Tape)
From a poster known as "Spade" on the www.forumsforjustice.org forum posted information regarding a person known as "Bonita." Spade wrote: "These are the unedited "notes" of Bonita Sauer, secretary/para-legal to Dan Hoffman. Bonita intended to write a book from the case documents provided to her boss. But Bonita's notes were sold to the tabs by her nephew. Larry Pozner is a partner in the same law firm. I hope he reads his secretary's notes about this case before he runs his mouth about the Ramsey's. (Again) This is a long file, so I suggest copying to your own computer and printing it out. I have checked the important case info and find it accurate, however there is some BS. Please post your questions." On another postings, Spade wrote, "Bonita is the 1st name of the legal secretary who wrote up the Boulder Police reports, mailed them to her nephew in Oregon who in turn double-dealt them to two tabs for $70,000. Bonita had access to all the BPD reports. Keep in mind that Bonita wrote-up her info in 1999"



"Inside the room, investigators found the white blanket that John said had been wrapped around JonBenet, and the piece of black duct tape which had covered her mouth. .They also found bundled inside the blanket a child's pink Burble nightgown. A red Swiss army knife was also found lying in the corner of the room away from the blanket. On the floor outside the door to the cellar was a paint tray and acrylic painting supplies. One of the detectives observed a wooden handle to a paint brush, the type used by artists, which appeared to be broken and a piece missing. The floor of the wine cellar was vacuumed to collect any trace evidence. The black duct tape, blanket, nightgown, knife, broken paint brush and paint tray, and vacuumed particles were all collected and logged into evidence."



"After the physical evidence had been collected at the autopsy and from the search of the residence, the next step was testing by the Colorado Bureau of Investigations. Blood had been found on the long-sleeved white top and the "Wednesday" underwear worn by JonBenet, the blanket and nightgown found in the wine cellar, and the duct tape found in the cellar which John reported to have removed from JonBenet's mouth. CBI Agent Kathren Dressel, a DNA and serological testing expert with 25 years of experience, performed the DNA testing on these items and positively matched the blood to JonBenet."



"The DNA analysis of the trace evidence recovered from the duct tape revealed a human hair, an animal hair, later identified as beaver, and various natural and man made red, blue, pink, purple and brown fibers."



Another name from the Simpson trial was also brought on board the Ramsey investigation Dr. Henry Lee, a leading criminologist and expert in DNA analysis and crime scene reconstruction. in February, 1996 Lee spent five hours with police department investigators and D.A. Hunter to review evidence in the Ramsey case. After attending the briefing, Lee concluded that there was probably a 50% chance of solving the crime. He took DNA evidence back to the State Police Forensic Science Laboratory in Hartford, Connecticut, of which is the director, for his own testing and analysis. One piece of physical evidence recovered from the wine cellar was the black duct tape that John said covered his daughter's mouth which he removed before carrying her body upstairs. During the April 30 interviews, both John and Patsy said they had never seen, used or owned such duct tape.

On January 19, the Boulder police department received a telephone call from one of the bookkeepers at McGuckins Hardware in Boulder. The bookkeeper said she had received two phone calls, one on January 14 and again on January 19, from a man only identifying himself as John and requesting information about receipts for purchases with his American Express card on December 2 and December 9. The caller said he would call back on January 20.The bookkeeper said that the person calling was pushy, impatient and intimidating. Boulder police met at McGuckins early on the morning of January 20 and set up a tape recording for calls to the accounting department. The bookkeeper had volunteered to assist with tape recording of this conversation. The call came in soon after the store opened, but this time the caller was cordial and patient:

"This is John. I called you last week looking for some receipts," said the caller. The bookkeeper said she had the receipts, but asked John to verify the number of the American Express account. John gave her a number that did not match the account number appearing on the receipts.

Bookkeeper: "That's not the correct number that I've got out of the system."

John: "Ok, but you were able to pull a purchase on an American Express on 12/2 for $46.31 and on 12/9 for $99.88?"

Bookkeeper: "That's correct. I was not able to pull anything for a John Ramsey.'

John: "Ok I'm looking at the invoices here from American Express and it does say 12/2 and 12/9 for those amounts on this card could be under Patsy's card too."

Bookkeeper: "That's exactly what it is, it's under Patsy's card.''

After confirming that John's and Patsy's American Express cards were under a joint account, the bookkeeper agreed that she could provide John with the information from the store if he would provide a written request. John told the bookkeeper he would provide the written request by fax machine and asked the bookkeeper to send the store receipt to him by fax.

A few minutes later John called again. "I just got your fax and I wanted to thank you for that. I also wanted to ask you if there was a itemized invoice available on those two. I got the credit card invoices but not the itemized copies." The bookkeeper apologized for the mix up and told John she would immediately fax the itemized receipts

The receipts for purchases by Patsy Ramsey in, December 1996 at McGuckins shows items priced at $1.99 the price of the missing duct tape, but unfortunately the items listed at this price were not identified on the receipt. Perhaps that is what John was trying to find out.

A report had also come in to the Boulder police that Patsy, while shopping at a local home improvement store in Athens, Georgia in November 1996 has asked a clerk for assistance in locating duct tape.

During the search of the residence, the detectives found pictures hanging on the walls with black duct tape used in the framing on the back. This tape appeared to be identical to the duct tape found in the wine cellar. Both the tape found in the wine cellar and the tape on the back of the pictures were sent to the FBI for analysis which concluded that the two samples were consistent in manufacturer, but from a different production time.

In a subsequent interview with personnel at A better Light Photography where Patsy had the two portraits framed, the detectives were told that the photography studio had placed the black duct tape on these portraits in the framing process.

With this lead ended, the detectives were again trying to determine the source of the duct tape. In September/ Dets. Gosage and Thomas flew to North Carolina for a site visit of the Shufford Mills duct tape manufacturing plant the manufacturer previously identified by the FBI testing. Personnel at the plant explained that the uniqueness of this tape is the percentage of the market share. The general model is a retail grade sold at hardware and other stores throughout the country, but that this particular black color only accounted for a fraction of two percent of the entire market of the tape. Additionally, further elimination of sources could be accomplished by testing thread count which had consistently changed during the last three years. The detectives returned to Boulder with samples of tape provided by Shufford Mills and product specification information which would be provided to the FBI to continue their analysis.

Other key evidence connected with the duct tape was trace evidence which had adhered to the surface of the tape. CellMark laboratories, who conducted the testing on the duct tape, found, red, blue, pink, purple and brown cloth fibers, and animal fur probably beaver."

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