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[Mindhunter written by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker]
Mindhunter (1995)
by John E. Douglas
Mark Olshaker

Mindhunter Book
written by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker
Reportedly found in Ramsey home


1997-01-18: Ramseys hire only 'the best'

Ramseys hire only 'the best'
Camera Staff Writer
Saturday, January 18, 1997

When John and Patsy Ramsey appeared on national television New Year's Day, John Ramsey announced he wanted to hire "the best minds this country has to offer" to find his daughter's killer.

Since then, the family has fulfilled that promise - assembling a team of lawyers, investigators, a former FBI agent, a media consultant and even a handwriting expert.

The Ramseys' daughter, 6-year-old JonBenet, was found strangled in the basement of the family home Dec. 26, about eight hours after her mother reported her kidnapped. More than three weeks later, few new details are emerging in the investigation of her murder.

The "Ramsey team" has attracted attention because of the number of high-profile experts on it.

Karen Duffala, deputy director of the National Law Enforcement Center at the University of Denver Research Institute, said she has never seen a team like this, "not all joined together."

"What's unusual is, these individuals are of national status - very well-known - and they're people that the Ramseys had access to," said Duffala, a former investigator at the Aurora Police Department.

At the center of the Ramsey team is Pat Korten, a Washington, D.C., expert on "crisis management." Korten's company, Rowan & Blewitt Inc., addresses issues involving "litigation, public policy debate and scrutiny from the media, government, special interest and community organization(s)," according to company literature.

Before joining Rowan & Blewitt about a year ago, Korten had been a journalist, talk-show host, spokesperson for a pharmaceutical trade association, and spokesperson for the U.S. Department of Justice during the Reagan administration.

Korten, who now acts as the Ramseys' spokesperson, answers the flood of up to 200 media calls daily on behalf of the family. He also has set up a World Wide Web page for the family, with responses to coroner's photographs printed in the Globe tabloid and more.

The Ramseys also hired a pair of powerful Denver attorneys to advise them in the case: G. Bryan Morgan and Patrick Burke.

Morgan, 59, a founding partner of the high-powered criminal defense law firm Haddon, Morgan and Foreman, represents John Ramsey. Morgan, who teaches professional responsibility at the University of Colorado Law School, was a Colorado Supreme Court nominee and an unsuccessful Democratic candidate for CU regent.

"He's a highly respected, extremely competent and wonderfully intelligent lawyer," said CU evidence and criminal law professor Mimi Wesson. "He's well regarded in all quarters as a highly ethical and responsible lawyer."

Gene Nichol, former dean of the CU Law School, described Morgan, who was the finance chair for Nichol's unsuccessful Senate campaign, as "a real accomplished criminal lawyer" and "a very effective and passionate advocate."

Morgan won a high-profile murder case in 1980 when he represented Lee Bobb Lindsley in the 1978 shooting death of her husband, Dr. Warren Felix B. Lindsley. Lindsley had been charged with first-degree murder.

Lee Foreman, 51, another partner in the firm, also is working on the case. A former special prosecutor for the Colorado attorney general and president of the Colorado Criminal Defense Bar, Foreman is playing more of a background role in the case.

Burke, 47, who represents Patsy Ramsey, was formerly an assistant city attorney in Lakewood, assistant state attorney general and a federal public defender. Burke has been involved in a number of high-profile cases. In 1987, he successfully defended Richard Scutari, one of four white supremacists accused of violating the civil rights of Jewish talk-show host Alan Berg, who was murdered.

Perhaps the most famous of all the Ramsey team members is former FBI criminal personality profiler John Douglas - the inspiration for special agent Jack Crawford in the movie "The Silence of the Lambs."

In his 25-year career with the FBI, Douglas was a pioneer of modern criminal investigative analysis and became the leading expert on criminal personality profiling. He has studied and interviewed dozens of serial killers and assassins, including Charles Manson, Sirhan Sirhan, Richard Speck and John Wayne Gacy.

Douglas has co-authored books on the killers and his profiling adventures, including "Mind Hunter" and "Unabomber." He's also been an expert witness for both prosecution and defense. Douglas has said he sometimes loses favor with those who hire him because he doesn't always tell them what they want to hear.

"There are defense attorneys contacting me to look at their cases, and I tell them, "I don't know what I'm going to say on this, you might not like what I have to say,'" Douglas said in an interview with the American College of Forensic Examiners.

Ironically, Douglas favors "proactive techniques" - or giving as much information out to the public as possible, something that appears contrary to the Boulder Police Department's tight-lipped policy on the Ramsey case.

Boulder city spokesman Kelvin McNeill said Douglas will be given "an opportunity to provide insight" to police detectives investigating JonBenet's murder. But, he added, "we have said all along that outside investigators are not more or less entitled to information than the general public or media."

The identity of one team member remains a mystery. Korten said the Ramseys hired a handwriting analyst - one that Newsweek magazine reported cleared the Ramseys of involvement in the ransom note. Korten would not comment on the report, nor would he divulge the identity of the analyst, saying only, "He's very well-known in the field."

Rounding out the team are two private investigators: H. Ellis Armistead and David L. Williams.

Armistead, 46, is a former Lakewood police officer and a special investigator for the Routt County district attorney's office. As a private investigator, Armistead is known for his ability "to get statements from witnesses that I didn't think would ever talk to us," said one defense attorney.

Williams has been a private investigator for nearly 20 years. Prior to that he spent five years on the Colorado Organized Crime Strike Force. As a whole, the group may seem unusual, but "it is equally unusual for crime victims to be as wealthy as the Ramseys," said Wesson.

"It sounds like an extraordinary assembly of talents.


[John Ramsey, June 1998 Interviews]1998-06-23: John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane
(Screen Capture from "CBS 48 Hours Investigates - Searching for a Killer" 10/04/2002)

John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane
Present also were Bryan Morgan, PI David Williams
June 23, 24, 25, 1998 - Boulder, Colorado


June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Regarding John Douglas book "Mindhunter")

6 LOU SMIT: Okay. Do you remember
7 what books your wife may have read around that
8 time or before? Was she a big reader?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: She wasn't really a
10 big reader. She would hit the bed, she would
11 fall asleep. I usually read in bed. She wasn't
12 a real big reader.
13 MIKE KANE: Did -- the occasions
14 that she did read books, what kinds?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, you know, I
16 don't know if I could tell you one brook she's
17 read.
18 MIKE KANE: But was she a library
19 person, would she go to the library?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: Not much. We would
21 take the kids to the library but --
22 MIKE KANE: She pick up a book when
23 she would take the kids?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Um, no, probably
25 not.

June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Regarding John Douglas book "Mindhunter")

1 MIKE KANE: Okay. What about "Mind
2 Hunter", John Douglas's book was there in the
3 house, had you purchased that?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: No. It was there in
5 '96? Interesting.
6 MIKE KANE: Was it interesting?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: I never never heard
8 of John Douglas or that book before.
9 MIKE KANE: So you never read that?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: No. I bought one of
11 his books the next summer, his newer book.

[Patsy Ramsey, June 1998 Interviews]1998-06-23: Patsy Ramsey Interview (Thomas Haney, Trip DeMuth)
(Screen Capture from "CBS 48 Hours - Searching for a Killer" 10/04/2002)

Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Thomas Haney and Trip DeMuth - Present also were Patrick Burke and Ellis Armistead June 23, 24, 25, 1998 - Boulder, Colorado


June 1998 Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Thomas Haney and Trip DeMuth (Mindhunter by John Douglas)

1 How about the book Mind?
3 TOM HANEY: Do you recall that? Do you
4 recall seeing it around the house?
6 TOM HANEY: You were not reading.
8 TOM HANEY: It is a book by John Douglas.
9 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know.
10 TOM HANEY: Do you know who he is?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: John Douglas I know.

June 1998 Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Thomas Haney and Trip DeMuth (Mindhunter by John Douglas)


1998-07-17: Website: JonBenét Ramsey Investigation Daily News & Views to Peruse and Use
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Posted by jameson on Friday...July 17, 1998

Shhhh, it is a secret...

Peter's big scoop on Monday is going to be about reading material found in the Ramsey home.

Could be big. Bigger than the book on grieving for a lost child, bigger than the little book of inspirational bible verses, maybe bigger than the bible - at least this week, at least to Peter Boyles.

A few of us own this book, may want to consider disposing of it as it could potentially be used to show us to be obsessed with or even studying crimes and - gulp - murder!

Nah. I will keep it on my shelf. Owning a book does not a murderer make. However, this will provoke a LOT of talk..... maybe there was a conspiracy underfoot when the book was purchased!! (Written totally tongue-in-cheek)

The book, BTW, is "The Mind Hunter" by John Douglas.

1998-07-21: Peter Boyles Radio Show 630KHOW

Peter Boyles Radio Show - July 21, 1998
Linda Wilcox Interview


PETER BOYLES: "We'll talk about the police interview and we'll talk about the books by the bed.
One of the stories we broke was about John Douglas' book Mindhunter being seen in the crime scene photos. You know a little bit about books by the Ramseys beds..."

LINDA WILCOX: "Well, they each had a pile of books in the corner by the bed. Even though they had nightstands. Originally the nightstands weren't there until they redid the upstairs. And even afterwards, they tended to just throw the books there. So, I kind of knew who read what. So, Patsy's side had things like, you know poems for women and not really what I would consider true trash-like Harlequin romances, but more like Mary Higgins Clark, woman novels. Some of them, I had even read. John's side of the bed was usually some kind of suspense-thriller. He tended to buy books by, what I call, by the numbers, I mean whatever's number 1 on the bestseller lists. Occasionally it would be something like the 7 habits of successful people, or financial things or even a (didn't hear) occasionally. But, generally it was some kind of suspense novel."


[Webbsleuths Community Forum]1998-08-03: Posted on Webbsleuths Mountain Forum
"Re: Mindhunter Book A Clue"

Posted by maxi on August 03, 1998 at 19:58:25:
In Reply to: Re: Mindhunter Book A Clue posted by I Ching on August 03, 1998 at 15:44:28:

: :
: : :
: : : :
: : : : From the ABC/Denver site:
: : : : : Does Book Yield a Clue in the Case?
: : : : : New information about the JonBenet Ramsey murder case today.
7NEWS has
: : : : : confirmed it involves a book by a well-known FBI profiler John Douglas.
: : : : : The book is called Mindhunter. 7NEWS has confirmed that investigators
: : : : : discovered the book in the Ramsey's bedroom. Sources tell us one of the
: : : : : parents was reading it, but we don't know which one. The Ramsey's have
: : : : : been questioned about it.
The book describes many of the cases Douglas
: : : : : worked on while he was at the F.B.I. Investigators are particularly
: : : : : interested in a chapter that explains how the FBI helped catch Larry
: : : : : Gene Bell, who was convicted and sentenced to death for kidnapping and
: : : : : killing two girls in South Carolina in 1985. Experts say there are
: : : : : several similarities between the case described in that chapter and the
: : : : : Ramsey case. While the book doesn't mean anything by itself, when you
: : : : : put it together with all the other details of the murder, it's an
: : : : : important piece of information. We tried to contact the Ramsey's lawyers
: : : : : about this, but they did not return our call. John and Patsy Ramsey have
: : : : : said repeatedly they did not have anything to do with the death of their
: : : : : daughter.
: : : : =================================================

: : : : The book was read by Patsy. It was found on the floor on HER side of the bed. Late night reading entertainment? Don't think so. More like "how-to" type reading. What's so interesting about this revelation is that Patsy took the book with her when she and John permanently left the house the day of the murder. Now I ask you, if your child had been brutally murdered hours earlier in your own house and you had to move out of the house because it was a secured crime scene, and you had only a few minutes to grab some essentials to take with you, would you even consider grabbing a book????? And of all the books in the house, she only grabbed that one book!! Smoking gun? A jury sure might see it that way.

: : : : I Ching
: : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: : : Who said she grabbed the book. If it was gone, who knew it was on the floor next to the bed. When were the crime photos taken? I heard that Patsy's sister was the one to come in and get things for the Ramseys. The scene is now a crime scene and I doubt if anyone got anything with out approval from PD Patsy's sister asked for the Bible.

: : : To repeat: Can't have it both ways. The book was not listed as evidence, yet it shows in a crime photo? Yet Patsy's sister took it, but the statement given to the press at the time was that her sister asked the PD if she could take the Bible, meaning they were right there and she had to ask them to take it. Now since they were right there, why was there no mention of the Mindhunter book. I don't think anything got out of that house once they found JonBenet. I think it is false info, given out by a leak. Now why do that? Because you still have an Eller connection in the PD. One that leaked info to the Vanity Fair, which a lot of it has proven to be false. Another thing I heard awhile back, is that the tabs want nothing to do with info that leads away from the Ramseys as they have put to much into the parents being guilty and to backtrack now, would show them for what they are and without calling names, we know what that name is.---Afton
: : ------------
: : Bravo Afton...for a point well made.

: I Ching and Allison...where is your proof that Patsy took that book, or even read the book? PeterBoyles?Sleazy Seven? Tabloids? Second, third or fouth hands speculation? Give me a break. LOLOLOL

: : Did Patsy and John Buy the Book? Was it on loan to them? Did they really have a crime photo with this book in it? Was it really found on Patsy's side of the bed? This book thing is weak tea...something to cause a little speculation...it's nothing, nada, zilch. Any discussions with the investigators with the Ramseys, have been nearly eight weeks ago...Burke nearly ten weeks ago...still no arrest. On the contrary, Hunter says they are talking to new witnesses and sending in new samples to CBI...they are also reinvestigating old witnesses...Why? Oooooh Yeah...I remember...the Ramseys WANT them too, and they ALWAYS do what the Ramseys want them to do. Yeah Right.

: : I say if the Ramseys are guilty...the Police,DA, FBI, CBI and anyone else that could be dragged in to give an opinion...have had more then ample time to arrest the Ramseys...not happening...won't happen...give up.

: : JMHO...Seal...PJAPOI
: : --------------------
: Lou Smit was the one who saw the book in the photo with a magnifying glass. It was on the floor on Patsy's side of the massive double bed in the master bedroom. It was almost as if Patsy had just put it down that night. However, the book was not found anywhere in the house when the formal search was done. I think we all pretty much agree that books don't have legs and can't walk away on their own. The only conceivable explanation is that Patsy took it with her when she permamently left the house that day. Odd that she would think to take that one book with her under those tragic circumstances.....Anyway, it was reported that John and Patsy "squirmed" during the June interviews when they were asked about the book. Wonder why.

: I Ching

Peter Boyles seemed to have two sources for the info about the book: one who told him the book was beside the bed and one who told him that Patsy was the owner/reader of the book. The first source must be a leaker from within the police presentation or some such thing. Any guesses as to the second. I have one, but I'm not saying since I get in trouble on J-7 every time I mention this name.


[http://www.nationalenquirer.com/]1998-08-04: Enquirer (Week of August 4, 1998):
Police reveal 'murder manual' found in mom & dad's bedroom

In a dramatic development in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case, police found a "hot-to murder manual" in the bedroom of the little beauty queen's parents!

The true-crime book describes a 1985 murder with amazing similarities to the brutal killing of JonBenet, who would have turned 8 on August 6.

And incredibly, it was written by John Douglas, former head of the FBI's behavioral science unit - and one of the first experts hired by JonBenet's father John after he and wife Patsy set up their own investigation team.

"The book was among several found during a search of John and Patsy's bedroom after JohBenet's body was discovered in the basement," said a source close to the case. "One of the investigators recently read through it in detail and was stunned at what he saw in one chapter.

"For someone planning a murder or staging its aftermath, it could amount to a how-to manual."

The book "Mind Hunter," was published in 1995, the year before JonBenet was murdered.

It describes the case of Larry Gene Bell, who abducted and murdered high school senior Shari Faye Smith and a 9-year-old girl near Columbia, S.C.

And Douglas, who helped solve the killings, lists circumstances in the case that were later eerily echoed in the JonBenet murder:

* After snatching Shari, the killer called her mother. His first words to her were, "Listen carefully." In the JonBenet case, the ransom note - which cops believe was written by Patsy Ramsey - starts with the words, "Listen carefully!"

* Shari was suffocated with duct tape, which was later pulled from her mouth and nose. When John Ramsey found his daughter's body he ripped duct tape from her mouth.

* Before she was killed Shari wrote a "last will and testament" to her family on a legal pad. The fake JonBenet ransom note was written on a yellow legal pad.

* Shari's killer collected pornography featuring bondage. JonBenet's hands had been bound with cord before she was murdered.

* Shari's sister Dawn later won the Miss South Carolina beauty title and went on to finish as a runner-up in the Miss America pageant. Patsy Ramsey is a former Miss West Virginia - and she also competed for the Miss America title.

Both John and Patsy were questioned about the book in June, and they dismissed the similarities between the book and JonBenet's murder as sheer coincidence, The Enquirer has learned.

But Gregg McCrary - Douglas' fellow FBI profiler who was also approached to work for the Ramseys and turned them down - declared: "The longer you are in my business, the less you believe in coincidences.

"I believe the JonBenet crime scene was staged. Many times when people stage a crime scene it's based on their perception of what a real criminal would do - and they get that information from books or movies.

"The grand jury will have to weight whether these are a series of coincidences - or something else.


The JonBenet murder investigation has cost the city of Boulder, Colo., $432,180.
The Ramseys have spent an estimated $3 million on attorneys and private investigators.

[www.globemagazine.com]1998-08-04: Globe (Week of August 4, 1998):
Ramseys used FBI Ace's Book to Plan Cover-Up

JonBenet Ramsey's parents used a book by ace FBI profiler John Douglas as a blueprint for the cover-up after her death, say sources close to the investigation.

The super-rich couple later spirited the book away - but they've been found out by police photographs of their home's contents, taken on December 26, 1996, after the 6-year-old's body was found, say sources.

Eagle-eyed investigator Lou "The Fox" Smit recently spotted the book, Mind Hunter, while poring over pictures of the Ramseys' bedroom with a magnifying glass, say sources. It was on the floor on Patsy's side of the bed.

Both John and Patsy "squirmed" say sources, when they were asked about the book. But they denied they had used it as a step-by-step guide, says a source close to the investigation.

When investigators read Mind Hunter - which deals with Douglas' work inside the FBI's serial crimes unit - they found it was a treasure trove of clues to how John and Patsy could have planned the cover-up say sources. For instance:

* Chapter 16 tells of the kidnapping and murder of Shari Faye Smith May 31, 1985. Link JonBenet, Shari was a pretty blonde youngster who loved to perform on stage. Her sister was a beauty queen who - like Patsy - appeared in the Miss American contest. When Shari's killer called her family, he twice warned them to "listen carefully." The phony ransom note, which cops believe Patsy Ramsey wrote, began with the words "listen carefully."

Shari had duct tape stuck over her mouth. So did tragic JonBenet.

"The investigators believe that Patsy was deeply moved by the story of Shari's murder because of the similarities to her own family," the insider explains. "She later used it to invent a bogus kidnapping and ransom demand."

* On page 350, Douglas tells how perverts are sometimes first turned on by Barbie Dolls. A pink Barbie nightdress was placed close to JonBenet's body - planted, detectives believe, to reinforce the idea she was the victim of a perverted intruder.

In April of 1997, GLOBE discovered that other books the Ramseys had in their home dealt with garrote murders and decapitation. JonBenet was garroted and the ransom note threatened to behead her.

Investigators have long puzzled over how seemingly normal people like John and Patsy could devise such a twisted scenario, say sources. They now believe that the books in their home, including Mind Hunter, were the inspiration.

After the murder, the Ramseys cunningly hired author Douglas to join their own investigation team.

But when Boulder DA Alex Hunter convenes a grand jury toward the end of summer, he will be called.

Says the source: "They plan to ask Douglas if he now believes Mind Hunter was used as a blueprint for a murder cover-up."

[Mindhunter written by John Douglas]
1998-09-27 ABC 20/20 Sunday "What Happened to JonBenet Ramsey?"
(This is an unedited, uncorrected transcript.)

Barbara Walters, Diane Sawyer, Elizabeth Vargas (Reporting)


"Also, sources say as many as 250 books were cataloged and photographed from various rooms in the Ramsey house in the event they yielded possible clues. At least one book, found in the bedroom, did—"Mind Hunter," by FBI profiler John Douglas. In chapter 16, there is a case of a young girl who is kidnapped, sexually assaulted, and suffocated with duct tape. When the killer called the mother, he began with the words "listen carefully." The same two words begin the ransom note. Patsy Ramsey has said she found the note at the bottom of the back spiral staircase. She has said she read it, and then called for John."



[Perfect Murder, Perfect Town]1999-02-18: “Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, JonBenet and the City of Boulder”
Written by Lawrence Schiller, February 18, 1999

PMPT Page 108sb

"A bookshelf contained such titles as Children at Risk, Children All Wide World Straight 1illk, Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising, It Ain't as Easy As It Looks, and The National Geographic Society Index. On another shelf: The Cancer Conqueror: Incredible Journey to Wellness, New Cures for Almost Every Major Disease,
and FBI profiler John Douglas's 1995 memoir, Mind Hunter. On a night table were: When Goodbye Is Forever: How to Deal with the Death of a Child and Learing to Live Again after the loss of a Child, by John Bramblet. Apparently John Ramsey had explored a good deal of popular literature on death and mourning since the loss of his oldest daughter, Beth."


PMPT Page 197sb

"Meanwhile, the Ramseys' attorneys went on the offensive to counter the public's growing perception that John and Patsy were involved in the death of their daughter.

John Douglas, a former FBI criminal profiler, who now worked for the Ramseys, appeared on NBC's Dateline.
His 1995 book Mind Hunter recounted some of the more famous cases he had handled, and it brought him national attention as an authority on profiling. His appearance on Dateline was timed to coincide with the publication of his new book, Journey into Darkness.

[jameson's Webbsleuths]1999-10-31: Webbsleuths Forum (http://www.webbsleuths.org)
"Q&A with Pam Paugh"

31 . "Answer for Kathyk"
Posted by jameson on Oct-31-99 at 05:04 PM (EST)

"Did any of the Ramseys have an interest in true crime or crime novels and movies. Did any Ramsey see the movies "Ransom" "Speed" or "Dirty Harry" and did they have the book "Mindhunter" by John Douglas"?"

I have no personal knowledge of any of my family members being interested in true crime or crime novels. I have never seen such a book in the homes of family either. As for movies, our viewing was for the most part limited to "family" selections; comedies, Disney, etc.

I personally have never seen the movies you name in your question and I have never read the J.Douglas book, though I am aware of who he is.

27 . "answers"
Posted by jams on Oct-31-99 at 07:30 AM (EST)

I know the Ramseys had not seen the movie Ransom. I asked that and they answered me. John Douglas has said publicly that the Ramseys did NOT have his book in their bedroom - that was a lie.

I can understand people wondering if the parents were into movies - particularly movies on kidnappings, crime, especially those referred to in the note (did they have a tape of In Cold Blood? I would bet that SickPuppy does)

But the Mindhunter thing was first pushed by Boyles, if you remember. I say he is a Media Whore Extraordinaire - loves to point at the Ramseys - and I don't think he gives a damn about the truth or justice. Someone was reading the book and thought it might be good copy (Shari-Faye rhymes with JonBenét, remember??)

Too many pieces of misinformation out there that never seem to go away - even when publicly revealed to be lies. (Boyles dropped it, but the audience remembers it.)


[jameson's Webbsleuths]2001-01-11: Webbsleuths Forum (http://www.webbsleuths.org)
"Douglas' Book, Mindhunter"

"Douglas' Book, Mindhunter"
Posted by Misty on Jan-11-00 at 04:46 PM (EST)

Is there any truth to the rumor that the book was actually found not only in the Ramsey house, but on Patsy's nightstand? And, this piece of news was discovered Lou Smit?

1 . "NO!"
Posted by jams on Jan-11-00 at 05:07 PM (EST)

There is no truth to that tabloid story.

That lie was first made public by a tabloid and Peter Boyles. The Ramseys and John Douglas himself have said that the book was NOT there! Lou Smit didn't find that non-existant evidence. The tabloids staged a photo and put it in their publication. Boyles pushed the story hard - Craig Silverman went on TV (I think it was Geraldo) and said that the book was a blueprint for murder - after all, Shari Faye and JonBenét RHYME!!!

The Ramseys didn't own the book.

But look around our own houses - do we own any true crime books? I do (now I do, for sure). I own the Douglas books, white nylon cord and black duct tape. Guess what, I am not a killer and seriously doubt owning those things will make me one. An interest in crime does not a killer make.

[Death of Innocence]2000-03-18: “Death of Innocence” written by John and Patsy Ramsey

DOI Page 137

"However, Susan Stine learned that NBC would feature criminologist John Douglas on a Dateline program scheduled to air on January 28. This piqued our interest, since we had met Douglas only weeks before in Mike Bynum's office.

DOI Page 138

Jane Pauley spoke from Studio 3-B in Rockefeller Center, announcing that John Douglas, the man who pioneered the technique of criminal profiling with the FBI, would share his impressions of what was happening in the investigation of JonBenet's murder. Douglas's credentials were impressive, to say the least. To develop his insights into how the criminal mind works, he had worked on over five thousand homicide cases, including some of the most heinous murders the planet has ever known. Douglas has a doctorate in psychology to back up his real-life experiences. He had accurately profiled the Unabomber years before he was caught, and had accurately predicted who Atlanta's serial child murderer would be before Wayne Williams was eventually caught and convicted. John Douglas had been the inspiration for the creation of agent Jack Crawford in the book and the film The Silence of the Lambs.

NBC's Chris Hanson conducted the interview for Dateline. He presented Douglas as the man bringing the listening world an "insider's view" of JonBenet's murder.

Douglas started by explaining that his involvement in the case began with suspicions about our guilt, strictly based on the overwhelming tide against us in the media. Only after interviewing Patsy and me for more than four hours did he conclude that we could not possibly have been involved. Douglas said on the air."

[JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation]2000-04-11: “JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation”
by Steve Thomas and Don Davis, April 11, 2000

ST Page 121

"Among the books Sergeant Wickman said were on John Ramsey's night stand was Mindhunter, by John Douglas. In the book he wrote that when loved ones or family members are the killers, careful attention is given to "staging" and diverting suspicion elsewhere. In the Ramsey case, the amateurish ransom note diverted the authorities for several hours.

Douglas also wrote that holidays were particularly stressful times and could trigger violent behavior. JonBenet was killed over Christmas. Douglas stated that in parental murders, great care is usually shown in the disposal of the body. JonBenet had been carefully tucked into a blanket in a cellar room, and not discarded outside in the freezing cold. John Douglas was almost denying his own writings in order to give the Ramseys a pass. The dust jacket of his next book identified him as a consultant on the JonBenet Ramsey case. It did not say for which side."


[jameson's Webbsleuths]2001-03-30: Webbsleuths Forum (http://www.webbsleuths.com)
"A Reason for the RN/Date"

24 . "Mindhunters "
Posted by jameson on Mar-30-01 at 02:41 PM (EST)

Mindhunters was NOT found in the Ramsey house - - that was a BORG rumor made popular by Peter Boyles.

Another person said that Barbara Fernie had given the Ramseys a book on the Lindburgh kidnapping -- - another BORG lie.

Priscilla White gave Patsy a book by Anne Morrow Lindburgh where the kidnap/murder of her son was hardly mentioned.

The BORG have put out a LOT of misinformation - - and their King is about to answer for some of it.

[jameson's Webbsleuths]2001-05-23: Webbsleuths Forum (http://www.webbsleuths.com)
"John had not read "Mindhunter" prior to the murder."

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68 posts May-23-01, 01:10 AM (GMT)

"John had not read "Mindhunter" prior to the murder."

I think that it is a good idea to post CarolynSue's astute finding in the "Evidence and Case" forum. Craig Silverman made the claim on the Geraldo show that John Ramsey had the book "Mindhunter" in his home before the murder.

Direct quote from the John Douglas and Mark Olshaker book "The Cases That Haunt Us", p. 298.

"Upon meeting John Ramsey, I informed him who I was, shook his hand, and expressed my sorrow for his loss. As it turned out, there was some significance to the fact that neither he nor Patsy knew who I was.
Subsequent to this, several sources, including Detective Steve Thomas, reported that MINDHUNTER, the first book I wrote with Mark, was on John Ramsey's nightstand. In this book we deal with staging crime scenes, and some speculated that one or both of the Ramseys had read it and "learned" how to outwit investigators to make it look as if someone from outside had killed their child. First, I have to say that they--or anyone else--would not have learned this from reading the book. We didn't write a how-to-course, and any good investigator would see right through such a primitive attempt. Morover, much as we would like to think that everyone has read our books and knows who we are, MINDHUNTER was not there on John's nightstand or elsewhere in the house, and I looked through the place pretty carefully. Believe me, as an author you learn to spot your books anywhere and everywhere. And it was not on the long police list of items removed from the house, although a "Dave Barry book about cyberspace" was. This is just one small example of the mountain of erroneous information that has come out about this case. While I understand that John read MINDHUNTER after meeting me, he was completely unfamiliar with my work at the time of the crime." (end of quoted material)

[Crime News 2000 Forum]2001-06-16: From CrimeNews 2000 Forum thread,
"Mindhunter" and 'ideas' for staging"

6/16/01 09:19 AM
"Mindhunter" and 'ideas' for staging [Post#: 8477 ]

I read in more than one source (and it's probably also in the search warrants), that among the books found in the Ramsey's bedroom -- including many books police believed JR had to help him deal with the death of Beth -- was a copy of "Mindhunter -- Inside the FBI's Elite Serial Crime Unit", by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker.

I was intrigued by the presence of this book, and how it might (or might not) figure in the mind of someone attemtping to stage a cover-up scene.

On page 298, Douglas talks about the case of a kidnapping/murder of an 18-year-old girl that took place in Columbia, SC in 1985.

The kidnapper made several phonecalls to the victim's family. He said a couple of things (quoted from the tapes made of the calls) that sounded familiar:

(p. 303) "You will receive instructions where to find us"
(ibid.) "Listen carefully."
(p. 311) "Okay, listen carefully."

When the victim's body was found, Doulgas says, "The sticky residue of duct tape was on Shari's face and hair, but the tape itself had been removed -- futher indication of planning and organization." (p. 303)

Later, the suspect, again in a call to family, said, " 'She said she was ready to depart, God was ready to accept her as an angel.' He described having sex with her and said that he'd given her a choice of death -- shooting, drug overdoses, or suffocation. He said she'd chosen the last one and he'd suffocated her with the duct tape over her nose and mouth." (p. 306)

We know, from the fact that the duct tape which had covered JB's mouth had a perfect lip-print on it, that it had been placed over her mouth when she was unconscious or after death. Why?

There are also accounts of female victims having foreign objects inserted in their vaginas (p. 256, 366).

A few other things in the book echoed some similarities with JBR's case. When he's talking about tracking down a someone who in the early 80s was sending letters threatening politicians, including the President, he talks about the significance of the signature on these letters -- C.A.T..

(p. 360) "There was a lot of speculation about what C.A.T. stood for or symbolized. I told the Secret Service not to spend too much time worrying about that, since it might not mean anything at all. There is often a tendency to read too much into every detail when, in fact, the UNSUB might just like the sound of it or the way it looked written out."

On the R's site (ramseyfamily.com), most of us are familiar with the "Evidence" portion, which now includes photos of bound and gagged Barbie dolls.

This, too, is in "Manhunter". Douglas writes, "I can think of several 'Barbie doll cases' brought to me over the years, all involving adult men", and that in some of these cases he thought the men could well be a danger if they went further with their fantasies.

On this subject, although he says, "... with a doll mutilator, one step further doesn't equal going after someone in his age group, it means going after someone younger, weaker, or lamer." he then adds, "That doesn't mean he's going to go for children necessarily. Barbie is portrayed as a mature, developed woman, not a prepubescent girl. No matter how warped this guy is, what he desires is contact with a mature woman. If he's mutilating or abusing a baby doll, we've got another set of problems."(p. 358)

I'm still rereading the book, but I'd really like to know where the Rs got their copy and who in the house had read it.

Of course, none of this is evidence, but IMO it's interesting just the same.

I also wondered whether I should have posted this because, in an indirect way it's a reminder to the R camp that this wouldn't look that good for them -- then I decided that it's not something they wouldn't be fully aware of by now. I'm sure they have their 'was given to us' ... 'never looked at it' ... 'belonged to Melissa' answers already prepared.

Just as an aside, if PR had ever read this book, the kidnapping/murder case may have stuck in her conscious/subconscious, if only because the only sister of the victim, "went on to do impressive things with her life. The year after the trial, she won the title of Miss South Carolina and was a runner-up in the Miss America pageant. She married and pursued her musical ambitions and became a country and gospel singer." (p. 319) (This would have been in the late 80s.)

6/16/01 06:05 PM
Re: "Mindhunter" and 'ideas' for staging [Post#: 8500 / re: 8477 ]

"Here's a post I wrote in February/2000 about this subject:



“Mind Hunter” was found in the Ramsey home. Differing reports have it being seen by Smit on the floor of the Ramsey’s bedroom; Schiller states it was found in the bookcase. (PMPT Paperback page 108) I think it’s fair to say that one or both of the parents read the book.

In reading “Mind Hunter”, John Douglas has a chapter entitled “Hurting the Ones We Love”. The first case in the chapter concerns a 2-year old boy “kidnapped” from his single mother. Gregg McCrary is the profiler. The facts of the case are not identical to JonBenet’s case, of course. In this case the child was not found in the home, but was found buried in the woods in his snowsuit, wrapped in a blanket, then completely covered with a thick plastic bag. McCrary notes that even if the body had been found without being reported missing, he would still have suspected the mother.

A kidnapper or child molester would not have taken this much care to make him warm and “comfortable,” or to try to shelter the body from the elements. While many murder scenes show obvious and prolonged rage and dumpsites often show contempt and hostility, the hallmarks of this burial were love and guilt. The mother attempted to stage a kidnapping according to her perception of what a real one would be like.

The key to many murders of and by loved ones or family members is staging. Anyone that close to the victim has to do something to draw suspicion away from himself or herself. Another example of this type of staging was the case of a man that murdered his wife and staged it as a sexual crime. Too many staging elements. This killer felt the need to hide the body on the premises and it was classified as a “personal cause homicide.” He did not want to leave her body out in the open where another family member-particularly her son-could find it. That’s why he took the time to wrap her in the blanket and move her to the crawl space. Even though he staged a sex crime, he was uncomfortable with police seeing her bare genitals and breasts, so he covered them with the blanket.

Douglas profiled this killer’s postoffence behavior as overly cooperative and concerned at first, but would turn arrogant and hostile when challenged on his alibi. His postoffense behavior might include increased drinking or drug use, or perhaps a turn toward religion. He would have changed his appearance; maybe even changed jobs and moved out of the area.

Douglas talks about red flags. No evidence that an intruder brought any weapons into the home. Red flags include high-risk crime against low-risk victims. Manual strangulation is a personal-type crime. It is not a method a stranger is going to choose, particularly one who has planned enough and made the effort to break in. Anyone breaking into a house to commit a crime, any crime, is going to first concern himself with the greatest threat-the man of the house. Douglas talks about the utter illogic of the supposed intruder’s actions and behavior.

Douglas goes on to say that the problem posed by staged crimes for any (of us) in the law enforcement field is that you can easily become emotionally involved with the victims and survivors. If someone is in obvious distress, we obviously want to believe them. If he’s a halfway decent actor, if the crime appears legitimate on the surface, there’s a tendency to look no further.

Douglas talks about triggering events or incidents—what they call a stessor. Anything can be a triggering stressor; different things bother each of us. In profiling a crime, Douglas looks at the victim and crime scene to give the authorities the stressor information.


Robert Ressler, OTOH, believes the parents at least have knowledge of the murder that they are not sharing with the authorities; in fact he says they have built a wall around themselves. Instead of cooperating and trying to help solve the murder of their daughter, they have surrounded themselves with lawyers, which of course is their right.

Ressler admits he cannot profile the killer of JonBenet because he does not have access to the complete autopsy report files, crime scene photos and police reports which are essential to doing a profile. However, from experience he states the following: Kidnappers do not enter homes to kidnap children with few exceptions as in the Polly Klaas case of a sexual predator.

Children are kidnapped coming home from schools, going to and from playmate’s homes, etc. The risks involved in entering a home to kidnap a child are enormous. Secondly, if you have a ransom note, you do not have a body in the home. If you have a body in the home, you do not have a ransom note. He says the note found by Patsy Ramsey was false and completely fabricated to divert attention from the real murder(ers). He felt the sexual assault was staged for the same reason.

The risk involved for a person to enter a house, take a child from her bed (with her parents in the home), take her to a basement and murder her, stage the sexual assault, wipe down the body, and write a ransom note was way out of proportion to what you would find in reality.


JonBenet was found wrapped in her own blanket with her Barbie nightgown next to her.

While the experts disagree on prior sexual abuse, if the sexual abuse that night was staged to point away from the parents, in some minds it has done it’s job.

The ransom note points to a “small foreign faction”; not just out of towners, these people aren’t even from this country. The note’s job was to point the authorities as far from the parents as possible.

IMO, the broken window was staged and then for some reason John Ramsey changed his mind and said he had broken it that summer. Were the authorities (and Fleet) to believe that the broken glass had been there nearly 6 months? The housekeeper and the gardener did not remember seeing a broken window.


Inconsistent statements by the Ramsey’s about what occurred that morning between the A&E documentary and the CNN interview (who and when they checked on Burke, etc) are certainly red flags.

LISTEN CAREFULLY: Another odd coincidence, the very next chapter in “Mind Hunter” talks about a serial-killer/kidnapper that repeatedly calls the family of his victim and uses the term “Listen carefully!” I have always found that term used in the ransom note as strange because you would be reading a note, not listening on the phone, so this exact term from “Mind Hunter” really jumped out at me! Coincidence?


Refusing to be interviewed by the authorities. The Ramsey’s had every right in the world to seek legal counsel. At stake unfortunately were answers only the people in the home that night could give. Where was the white blanket she was wrapped in? Where was the Barbie nightgown? Was she wearing the size 12 panties when she went to bed? Assuming these questions were answered in May 1997, nearly 5 months went by with valuable information needed.

Turning in the clothing the Ramsey’s wore the night/morning of the murder took over a year! Fibers that were found in and on the body, at the crime scene, went unmatched for over a year! The Ramsey’s refused to allow Burke to be questioned for months. Burke was the only person on the same floor as JonBenet the night/morning of the murder, yet his parents got him an attorney and would not allow him to be questioned (other than the brief time on 12/26) for months.

The Ramsey’s moved to Atlanta. Distance. They didn’t stay around Boulder to assist in the investigation. John Ramsey wanted to take his family to Atlanta immediately. Douglas talks about the UNSUB moving after a crime. Douglas talks about the UNSUB becoming uncooperative.


Would truly loving parents wake their son at 7am and send him off to the White’s house and not tell him that his sister was killed, or comfort him in his grief? Did the Boulder Police Department have to break it to him when they questioned him briefly that same afternoon? Was Burke’s well being even considered that day? After all, he was expecting to fly to Michigan that morning, not go to the Whites. Did he ask questions? If not, why not? All accounts from the parents indicate he was asleep until 7am, and was immediately taken to the White’s home.

From John Douglas’s own book “Mind Hunter” it seems to me that had he profiled this case cold, he would have had to consider the parents immediately. I found his book credible and informative. I would like to know more about why he has taken the stance he has and ignored his own experiences he relates in his book."

[jameson's Webbsleuths]2001-08-20: Webbsleuths Forum (http://www.webbsleuths.com)
"Evidence of an intruder"

26 . "Evidence of an intruder?"
Posted by Arwa on Aug-21-01 at 11:10 PM (EST)


14. "John Douglas says that when a parent kills a child, they make it so someone else finds the child. it would have been very easy for John to direct Fleet to search that hall while he went the other way - - but he didn't - - he found his daughter."

What has this got to do with evidence of an intruder? Perhaps the very fact that FW was with him, John figured he’d have a witness to confirm his shock and disbelief upon opening the door and seeing the body. It would have been a bit awkward, don’t you think, if John purposely stayed clear of that room in order that Fleet found the body.
You’ve cited John Douglas several times. Why haven’t you recognized the fact that his book was found in the Ramsey home? It’s reasonable to assume that if Mindhunter was in the home, then it was read. And if it was read, it’s reasonable to assume that John read Douglas’ statement that parents who kill will leave it to someone else to find the body. John’s an intelligent man. He read that he wasn’t supposed to find the body if he killed, and the whole ruse of this crime is that he didn’t kill, but an intruder did. And so it logically follows that to prove to witnesses he didn’t kill her, he’d find the body. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this one out!

33 . "the book"
Posted by jameson on Aug-22-01 at 03:30 PM (EST)

The book MindHunter was NOT in the house. Peter Boyles put out that story, I don't know who his source was but they were not telling the truth.

A tabloid actually put together a pile of books, one of them MindHunter, and they put that photo in their rag, so some people thought they had "seen it in the crime scene photos" but they are wrong. It is not in the crime scene photos. It was not in the Ramsey house and they didn't know who John Douglas was until after the murder.

35 . "Mindhunter in Ramseys' Bedroom"
Posted by Arwa on Aug-23-01 at 01:24 PM (EST)

Police conducted a nine day evidence collection spree, including vaccum bags of debris from the entire house, spawned by the search warrants issued. The initial search warrant had been extended three times, and over 800 items were taken into custody.

From PMPT, p83: In the third floor master bedroom, "[A] bookshelf contained such titles as Children at Risk, Children All Wide World Straight Talk, Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising, It Aint's as Easy as it Looks and The National Geograhic Society Index. On another shelf: The Cancer Conqueror: Icnredible Journey to Wellness, New Cures for Almost Every Major Disease, and FBI profiler John Douglas' 1995 memoir, Mind Hunter.

[Steve Thomas Deposition 09-21-2001 Wolf vs Ramsey]2001-09-21: Steve Thomas Deposition (Atlanta, Georgia)
Wolf vs Ramsey Civil Action File No. 00-CIV-1187(JEC)

(Screen Capture on left is from "Today Show, October 28, 2002)

For Plaintiff: Darnay Hoffman, ESQ.
For Defendants: James C. Rawles, ESQ., L. Lin Wood, ESQ.
For Deponent: Charles P. Diamond, ESQ., Sean R. Smith, ESQ.
Also present: O.M. "Ollie" Gray
Also present: Jay R. Ren, CLVS, Todd Tompkins, Videographer Intern

Steve Thomas Deposition (Atlanta, Georgia)
Wolf vs Ramsey Civil Action File No. 00-CIV-1187(JEC)

(Source of Mindhunter Book in Ramsey house)

1 A. Yeah.
2 Q. Did you all do that with the
3 Ramsey records?
4 A. I think so.
5 Q. There has been a lot of debate
6 about whether or not John Ramsey or Patsy
7 Ramsey or some of the Ramsey family before
8 the murder of JonBenet owned the book Mind
9 Hunter by John Douglas. Have you ever seen
10 a photograph of that from a crime scene photo
11 in their house?

12 A. No, but Tom Wickman swears up and
13 down it was in the parents' bedroom.
14 Q. Does anyone else, besides Tom
15 Wickman, swear that up and down?
16 A. No, but Tom Wickman has told that
17 to several people.
18 Q. Where in the bedroom?
19 A. I was always under the impression
20 as we recollect it now on one of the two
21 night stands.

22 Q. By John's bed or by Patsy's?
23 A. I'm sorry, it's one or the other,
24 I thought. Maybe I -- no, maybe I
25 referenced it in the book, maybe I didn't.

1 All I can tell you right now is on one of
2 the night stands.
3 Q. Did you keep a -- but Wickman is
4 the only person that says that, right?

Steve Thomas Deposition (Atlanta, Georgia)
Wolf vs Ramsey Civil Action File No. 00-CIV-1187(JEC)

(Source of Mindhunter Book in Ramsey house)

5 A. As far as crime scene people that
6 were in the house.
7 Q. Or anybody.

8 A. Yeah, Wickman is the source of
9 Mind Hunter by Douglas.
10 Q. Anyone else, besides Wickman, is
11 all I'm trying to find out?
12 A. Not that I'm aware of.

13 Q. Did you keep a Frank Coffman
14 article called -- from the column Clues
15 Abound folded up in your badge wallet at any
16 point in time?
17 A. If we're talking about Frank
18 Coffman -- no, I don't I recall the article
19 if we're talking about the same article,
20 which I had cut out, which I had at my desk
21 at the Boulder Police Department.
22 Q. Did you meet with Frank Coffman
23 and Jeff Shapiro one day and reach into your
24 badge wallet and unfold the article and show
25 it to Frank and Jeff and say basically, guys,

1 you're right about where I'm coming from,
2 words to that effect?
3 A. No. Again, I was very careful
4 with Shapiro and didn't know Coffman, but I
5 do acknowledge of being in possession of that
6 article. If I had it in my wallet, I don't
7 know.


[jameson's Webbsleuths]2004-06-29: Webbsleuths Forum (http://www.webbsleuths.com)
"Mindhunter, the last show"
(Mindhunter Show. KFI, AM 640)

Member since 7-4-03
06-29-04, 02:39 PM (EST)

"Mindhunter, the last show"
LAST EDITED ON 06-29-04 AT 02:41 PM (EST)

I've edited my transcript to remove the segments on the BTK strangler and a small segment on internet scams. The following has also been edited to eliminate some 'uh,'s 'ers,' etc. Most have been left in since it helps show how a person thinks...I did not, however, edit for grammatical errors. This was a lot of typing, rewinding the tape, etc., so I dun want to hear about misplaced commas or apostrophes...bug off.

Eric: We're going to talk about the JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation and this is a story that really seems like everybody that's followed it even a little bit has a pretty clear opinion of what they think happened. As evidenced by the nasty emails we got over the last week when we even mentioned that we would be talking about this. And uh, before we even get started with the story and John, what your involvement in all this was, I think it's important to mention what, or how you became involved in this case to begin with because one of the things we had in a couple of letters from people was, 'How dare you let John go on the air and talk about this case. He's just a shill for the Ramseys, they paid him off, he's working for them, of course he's going to find that somebody else did it, and so, let's kind of clear the air and explain how you were involved in the case first and then we'll (unintelligible) story.

John: If they paid me off, I wouldn't be doing this uh, this radio(laughs) show if they paid me off and that's what's really interesting over the years people have said that he was paid off, he received monies. What's kind of interesting is when I was an FBI agent I was on a salary too. Does that mean when I go out on cases, that the FBI is paying me money so therefore I'm going to slant my analysis so that the police are going to be really thrilled with my analysis and the FBI's thrilled with my analysis. People that know me, been around me for years, I cause major problems, major headaches when I was in the FBI because I just wouldn't go along with the drumbeat. And I did the same thing, we talked about the case going years back into the early 1980s when I was involved in the Atlanta Child Killing case and I was totally against every else's opinion that the killer was a white male perpetrating those series of cases, crimes down in Atlanta. I said it would be a black offender. Wayne Williams was of course, you know was black.

I'll tell you right off the bat how much I got because I would testify in this case as well to a Grand Jury. I received just under, just under three thousand dollars total on this case starting back in 1997. And uhm, once I realized, in my opinion, that the family was not involved in the case, I did everything pro bono. I do pro bono work today for victims of violent crime. Sometimes going into a case, just like this case, I thought for sure, because of the stuff that I was reading in the papers, just like everyone else when you're standing in Walmart you see The Globe, the National Enquirer and all this crap you know and you think, oh my gosh, these people killed a child; they must have staged the crime scene. So I just happened to be out...


John: I happened to be, this is like January 6, I happened to be out in Provo, Utah with Chief of Police, Greg Cooper who used to work with me and for me back at the FBI Academy. He's a real solid guy and when I retired, he actually left the Bureau he was so close to me he didn't even want to stay there and he got a great opportunity being police chief out in Provo.

And I got a call from a former police officer, Ellis Armistead, who contacted me and said that the attorneys, one of which is Hal Haddon, who we know is involved with...


John: I was brought in by the police. Finally the Ramsey attorneys said, why don't you help, first of all we'll do the interview of the family and I just want to talk to John because of the DNA, supposedly DNA evidence, and through the interviews, in a nutshell, I could tell, from his responses, he was a broken down man. He was a broken down man.
There was word that came out that John Ramsey read my book, Mindhunter , and in Mindhunter, I talk about a victim, Shari Faye Smith. So right away, all these sleuths out there. Shari Faye, JonBenet. You know, and that there was a connection. He learned from my book like it was a book on how to commit crimes. He never even read my book. I was in his bedroom. He never read it. He read my book after I got involved in the case because he wanted to know who I was and what I'd done, what I've done in the past. He knew nothing about me or what I'd done in previous cases.


[Forums For Justice]2004-01-14: The Bonita Papers-1999 (Mindhunter Book)
From a poster known as "Spade" on the www.forumsforjustice.org forum posted information regarding a person known as "Bonita." Spade wrote: "These are the unedited "notes" of Bonita Sauer, secretary/para-legal to Dan Hoffman. Bonita intended to write a book from the case documents provided to her boss. But Bonita's notes were sold to the tabs by her nephew. Larry Pozner is a partner in the same law firm. I hope he reads his secretary's notes about this case before he runs his mouth about the Ramsey's. (Again) This is a long file, so I suggest copying to your own computer and printing it out. I have checked the important case info and find it accurate, however there is some BS. Please post your questions." On another postings, Spade wrote, "Bonita is the 1st name of the legal secretary who wrote up the Boulder Police reports, mailed them to her nephew in Oregon who in turn double-dealt them to two tabs for $70,000. Bonita had access to all the BPD reports. Keep in mind that Bonita wrote-up her info in 1999"

"Outside of Burke's bedroom was the spiral staircase that lead up to the third floor where the master bedroom and home office are located, and down to the main floor front entry area. Weiss and Arndt did a visual inspection of them master bedroom and adjoining office. Arndt noticed that John had hastily dropped his navy blue bathrobe on the floor next to his desk. She also noticed on John's nightstand next to his bed was the book Mindhunter by John Douglas, a former FBI agent. Douglas' book depicts his background and work in the field of murders, murderers and criminal research. Arndt thought this book was rather gruesome late night reading material."

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