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[Patsy 1998 Interrogaton]
Screen Capture from CBS 48 Hours
10/04/2002 Searching For a Killer

The Pineapple
The Bowl
The Spoon

Who Fed JonBenet The Pineapple?


[John Ramsey, June 1998 Interviews]1998-06-23: John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Screen Capture on left is from "CBS 48 Hours Investigates - Searching for a Killer" 10/04/2002)

John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane
Present also were Bryan Morgan, PI David Williams
June 23, 24, 25, 1998 - Boulder, Colorado


June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Questioning Regarding the Pineapple)

23 LOU SMIT: Okay. I think that's kind of a
24 chronological that kind of gets up to the hearing.
25 Now I would like to go over the specifics. And

1 this here is academic questions about heating. And
2 you brought up this that you heard something about
3 pineapple. Now what have you heard about
4 pineapple?

5 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we were asked if JonBenet
6 had eaten any pineapple, because apparently it was
7 found in her system. I don't know if the police
8 asked us that or we saw it on television or the
9 question came up. I don't remember her eating
10 pineapple, I don't remember pineapple at Fleet's
11 or the White's house. It sort of been a very
12 logical hors d'oeuvres. I don't' remember
13 specifically if it was there.
14 I think part of the question was what did she eat
15 when she got home, and I'm sure she didn't because
16 she was absolutely sound asleep. So I don't know
17 nothing about the basis of the question.

18 LOU SMIT: That's why I wanted to show you
19 the picture. I just didn't know what you had heard
20 of this thing. I'm going to show you what's called
21 a picture of 414.
22 This is a photograph that's taken of the dining
23 room table. And it shows various things on the
24 dining room table. Do you see the gingerbread
25 houses? And then you see a bowl on that

2 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm.
3 LOU SMIT: What else do you see on there?

4 JOHN RAMSEY: I see a glass with what looks
5 like (INAUDIBLE). Tissues on the glass. A couple
6 knives.

7 LOU SMIT: Do you have any idea how that got
8 on that table?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: It might have been (INAUDIBLE)
10 that's a big bowl.
11 LOU SMIT: I'm going to straighten out the
12 picture so we'll want a close up of everything.

13 This is a photograph of 417. what does that
14 represent there?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it's a large spoon, not
16 a teaspoon. It looks like Patsy's good silver. I
17 guess that could be pineapple, I can't tell. But
18 it could be. Some people (INAUDIBLE) pineapple to
19 make it old and there's this teabag in an empty
20 glass. I can't tell, but it looks like there is
21 some milk or something.
22 LOU SMIT: Who do you know would eat
23 pineapple like that? Do you have any idea?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Well the kids like pineapple,
25 but that's a big bowl and this is a big spoon and

1 I can't imagine that the kids would have something
2 like that at any time. Certainly not with iced
3 tea, I don't think. They don't even drink iced
4 tea. I think they do not. (INAUDIBLE) yeah.

5 LOU SMIT: John, I just wanted to kind
6 of check back with you. Now these obviously are
7 crime scene photographs.
8 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm.
9 LOU SMIT: And this is the condition that
10 things are found when pictures are taken. We're
11 trying to explain that, even in correlating it
12 with your daughter (INAUDIBLE)?
13 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. Could that have been
14 gotten out by someone who was in there that
15 morning, I wonder?
16 LOU SMIT: I don't know. That's a thought.
17 What do you think?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't know. I mean I don't --
19 that's just a huge --
20 LOU SMIT: You mean somebody who had been
22 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, the Fernies or the
23 Whites or, there were a lot of people in the house
24 that were -- that would not be like us to leave
25 that. Certainly not leaving the next morning on a

1 trip, to leave it like that, out.
2 That's a big bowl, whatever it is, if it's
3 pineapple.

4 MIKE KANE: Do you recognize the bowl?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, I don't know. I recognize
6 the spoon, because it's a big serving spoon. It's
7 not like a teaspoon. And that could be one of our
8 bowls. We had white bowls like that. Patsy would
9 recognize it for sure. It looks like our glass.
10 LOU SMIT: Who would drink tea with a teabag
11 in the glass?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: Somebody who would drink tea,
13 I guess. I don't know. I don't drink tea. Burke
14 will drink sweet ice tea. I don't remember if
15 JonBenet did, if she did.
16 I mean, even for someone who's there and to get
17 out that big of a bowl and put that much pineapple
18 in it and just leave it. That doesn't make sense.

19 MIKE KANE: That was a serving spoon?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: It's a big serving spoon. I
21 mean don't even have an answer.
22 MIKE KANE: (INAUDIBLE) taken out and put
23 back in the refrigerator. Could that have
24 (INAUDIBLE) where it had been?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: It's possible.


1 MIKE KANE: Any other tea drinkers in the
2 house?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: Patsy drank tea. She likes
4 sweet ice tea.
6 JOHN RAMSEY: I believe, not much, once
7 in a while.
8 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE) sweet ice tea, you
9 can put a tea bag (INAUDIBLE)?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, no. With sweet ice tea
11 you have to make the tea. And I don't know how you
12 do it, but she puts sugar in it or something. It's
13 a southern drink. But, no.
14 I mean, first of all, it was hot tea. You
15 wouldn't it in that kind of a glass, it was weird.
16 That doesn't make sense.

17 LOU SMIT: You see, this is the trouble.
18 That we don't know. We don't know the answer. We
19 just didn't know whether it was like that or
20 (INAUDIBLE) around it.
21 JOHN RAMSEY: I would almost think that
22 (INAUDIBLE) that's Patsy's too. But that would not
23 have been left out by us where it would be for any
24 extended period of time. And that is a huge bowl
25 of pineapple or whatever it is and a big spoon.

1 LOU SMIT: On the 26th, that was the
2 morning of the 26th, John, do you remember eating
3 at that time?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't, but -- No, I don't.
5 I think there was -- I don't know, I don't
6 remember. There might have been some coffee made
7 or something like that. I don't think anybody was
8 feeling to eat.

9 LOU SMIT: Where would you keep pineapple?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: If it were opened, it would
11 have been kept in the refrigerator.
12 LOU SMIT: And that's the walk-in one?
13 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. If it were not open,
14 it would be in the pantry. This little (INAUDIBLE)
15 was here with the cans. (INAUDIBLE) next to the
16 cans. I mean it doesn't look like -- the kids
17 wouldn't have gotten that thing and the spoon
18 down. I mean, that's huge for a child's mouth.
19 They would have gotten a little spoon or a fork.
20 They wouldn't have fixed themselves that big a
21 bowl.

22 LOU SMIT: Is this the first time that
23 you knew about this?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: It's the first time I've
25 seen it, yeah.

0212 1 DAVID WILLIAMS: Can we take a look at the
2 photographs?
3 MIKE KANE: While your doing that, could
4 I ask, you said you had cans of pineapple normally
5 would be kept in that pantry that's open. Do you
6 ever by fresh pineapple (INAUDIBLE)?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: We did not, not that I remember.
8 No. I mean, we had --
9 LOU SMIT: What other kind of fruit did you
10 have around?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: Well we had apples around;
12 bananas, a lot of bananas. The kids loved
13 bananas. Grapes, green grapes.
14 LOU SMIT: Where would (INAUDIBLE)
15 JOHN RAMSEY: The bananas would be hanging
16 from a little stand that was kept in the kitchen
17 over in this area. The grapes tended to be in the
18 refrigerator. I don't remember specifically.
19 LOU SMIT: Do you know if JonBenet would
20 ever get up in the middle of the night to eat
21 these things?
22 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't think so. Not -- no.
23 DAVID WILLIAMS: Was that fresh? pineapple?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: No. But, no, that would be,
25 certainly not a glass that with a teabag in it. It

1 absolutely doesn't make any sense for the kids to
2 have left that there.
3 LOU SMIT: Well we can come back to that later. I
4 do want to talk about that a little bit later. You
5 got any more questions?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: But, I mean, it's strange.
8 It doesn't (INAUDIBLE).

9 LOU SMIT: This is also another picture,
10 picture 416, which also shows the same bowl, only
11 it shows the gingerbread house, and there's some
12 Kleenex on there and things of that nature. So I
13 don't know. Is that the gingerbread house that the
14 children were making?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. It looks like it. This
16 was like in -- Patsy would know. I'm not sure why
17 a Kleenex box is there either. That's not normal
18 for a Kleenex box.
19 LOU SMIT: What do you say about that?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I guess it doesn't
21 belong on the kitchen table. I don't know where it
22 came from, but that's now it aught to be.

23 LOU SMIT: Well, I'm sure that Patsy is
24 going to be asked the same question. Maybe she
25 remembers more on this or not. Is it possible that

1 that could have been left out, maybe because to be
3 JOHN RAMSEY: I doubt it very much.
4 LOU SMIT: Whey do you say that?

5 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we were leaving town
6 the next morning. We would be gone nearly for a
7 week and a half. I've never seen a teabag left in
8 a glass like that in our house. I know we're not
9 the neatest people in the world, but I don't think
10 we'd have left an open bowl of fruit sitting on
11 the kitchen table.


15 LOU SMIT: I just, if I could just
16 -- I know it's getting close to five on our
17 thing -- I think we came here a quarter after
18 and the tape was put on, these are two-hour
19 tapes, so we still have a little bit of time but
20 I wanted to ask you a question and that's in
21 regards to the pineapple.
22 Again, did you discuss that at all
23 or try to find out what the reason for the
24 pineapple in the bowl was, last night?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: Last night? I

1 told, let's see, if I tell Patsy that there --
2 I think I mentioned that I was puzzled by the
3 bowl, the large bowl of what appeared to be
4 pineapple with a big serving spoon in it. It
5 didn't register with her. She said I hope they
6 show you a picture, because I think that's --
7 LOU SMIT: We can do that at some
8 point.
9 JOHN RAMSEY: It didn't register
10 with her last night. I guess what I would want
11 to ask her is where did you keep that
12 silverware, is that in fact your good silverware
13 in wherever it was kept. Because we had a
14 drawer and just you know, everyday silverware,
15 it was always full of teaspoons, there was a
16 million teaspoons, and why that bowl had a big
17 serving spoon in it, and what I think was, you
18 know, a good silver, doesn't make any sense to
19 me.
20 LOU SMIT: That's a question we
21 have to try to figure out, what happened there,
22 when that bowl was placed there and who did
23 that.
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Right, where this
25 spoon came from.

1 LOU SMIT: And even the
2 pineapple.
3 JOHN RAMSEY: Yes, is that
4 what was in the bowl?

5 LOU SMIT: Yeah. And we, and
6 we haven't talked about this too much, but
7 have you heard anything about pineapple in
8 regards to your daughter?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: Just that it was
10 a question mark that there was either was or
11 could have been pineapple in her system.
12 LOU SMIT: And where did you
13 hear that?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, it's been on the
15 tabloids, been on television; I think these
16 fellows asked me about it. It started to come
17 up as a question, at least in the media.

18 LOU SMIT: See, that is a
19 question, when did JonBenet eat pineapple?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I don't know.
21 I mean, the I will guarantee you it was not
22 after she came home. She was sound asleep. So
23 it had to be at the Whites or prior to that.
24 LOU SMIT: Okay. Now when
25 you say it wouldn't be afterwards, I mean

1 now that's why you know this is going to
2 be a (INAUDIBLE) the question that's going
3 to always be asked?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: She was sound
5 asleep. When I carried her upstairs. I mean I
6 noted when I got her out of the car, and I
7 struggled to get her out of the back seat and
8 she was just, (NOISE) I almost dropped her, I
9 kind of struggled to get her up in my arms and
10 it didn't phase her, she didn't wake up, she was
11 just out. And I know, if she goes to sleep, she
12 is -- that's it for the night.
13 LOU SMIT: Next question is,
14 is could someone have gotten her up and
15 fed her pineapple? I mean that is a
16 logical question, and that's the question
17 we have to answer.
18 JOHN RAMSEY: I can't
19 imagine that somebody could have gotten
20 her up, fed her pineapple, and she
21 wouldn't have screamed bloody murder.
22 LOU SMIT: Why?
23 JOHN RAMSEY: What if it was a
24 stranger.
25 LOU SMIT: Well, it was.

1 JOHN RAMSEY: Had to be.
2 MIKE KANE: Well, could have been
3 -- (INAUDIBLE)--?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: Patsy said she
5 didn't give her any -- I mean, first of all, if
6 we had said oh, yeah, well, we gave her
7 pineapple, that would have ended the discussion.
8 LOU SMIT: That's correct.
9 JOHN RAMSEY: But we didn't.

10 LOU SMIT: But the fact
11 though, John, is she has pineapple in her
12 intestines, okay. She has that in there.
13 No one has fed her pineapple that we know
14 of.
15 Could someone have fed her
16 pineapple that night is all I will say,

17 could somebody have done it? I mean if
18 it's in there, that is a positive. There
19 is nothing --
21 JOHN RAMSEY: I understand,
22 I understand. I mean, my suspicion when I
23 first heard that was well, there must have 24 been pineapple at the Whites' house, and I
25 don't remember it but there was all sorts

1 of little finger foods and the kids were,
2 you know, in and out and grabbing this and
3 that. We understand the Whites said no,
4 they didn't serve pineapple. That's
5 factual or not, but I guess my question
6 would be well, did the kids go to the
7 refrigerator, you know, and get a bite of
8 pineapple at the Whites.
9 If it wasn't there and was it
10 earlier in the day, Patsy would most likely
11 know, you know. She liked pineapple. And it
12 wasn't -- if there was open pineapple in the
13 refrigerator, it wouldn't have been -- I am not
14 sure she could get that refrigerator door open.

June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Questioning Regarding the Pineapple)

15 You have to ask Patsy. It was not easy, it was
16 like a freezer door, big walk-in freezer door,
17 it wasn't that easy to pop open.
18 But they certainly weren't above
19 going in the pantry, grabbing a box of cereal
20 and, you know, having cereal and stuff. So I
21 guess to say if it was, would not have been out
22 of the question that she grabbed some out of the
23 refrigerator in the day sometime, but I don't
24 know that she could get the door open.
25 But I mean, it's hard for to me to

1 think that this intruder could have taken her
2 downstairs and fed her pineapple. I just can't
3 buy that.
4 LOU SMIT: See, that is the
5 thing, that's the one thing --
7 On the counter you mean.

8 LOU SMIT: We don't know.
9 The pineapple is inside her, so we have to
0 figure out how that pineapple got there.
11 There is one way it could get there, she
12 had to eat it at some point.
13 JOHN RAMSEY: Are you sure it was
14 pineapple?
15 LOU SMIT: Yes.
16 JOHN RAMSEY: No question?
17 LOU SMIT: No question. No
18 question. So that's always been the big
19 bugaboo.

20 JOHN RAMSEY: What's the -- is
21 there a time line based on where it was in the
22 digestive system?
23 LOU SMIT: That's always open
24 to people's opinions. But there is
25 various theories it could be anywhere from

1 two hours to more than that. But again,
2 it is in her intestine.
3 JOHN RAMSEY: Well my -- my
4 amateur reasoning would be that she came
5 home at -- she was in bed, she was asleep
6 before we got home, which was, you know,
7 9:00, 9:15. I believe she was killed that
8 night.
9 LOU SMIT: What night?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: The 25th. If I have
11 my dates right. The 26th, evening of the 26th,
12 rather than early in the morning or the next
13 morning.
14 LOU SMIT: Think about the
15 date.
16 JOHN RAMSEY: Well okay, the 25th,
17 Christmas Day night. So if you said midnight,
18 that means there is three hours that I would say
19 there is no way she could have eaten any, as --
20 it's a time mark. I think Patsy -- see that
21 picture, asked to see if that bowl looks like
22 something that would have been in the
23 refrigerator and left out, did JonBenet grab a
24 bite when she left the house, I don't know. But
25 I know as a father and as sound asleep as she

1 was, that she didn't get up, we didn't feed her
2 when we got home.
3 She wouldn't have gotten up, Patsy
4 didn't get up. She would have gotten up to feed
5 her. So that isn't an option in my mind. I
6 mean, it would be -- an intruder drug her down
7 there and tried to feed her something, she would
8 have screamed bloody murder. If she opened her
9 mouth to eat pineapple, she would have screamed
10 bloody murder.
11 LOU SMIT: But still it's a
12 fact that it's in there. There is nothing
13 that we can do to change that particular
14 fact.
15 JOHN RAMSEY: I understand.
16 LOU SMIT: So is there any
17 possibility at all that Patsy could have
18 done that, have gotten up and gone down
19 there?
21 LOU SMIT: Would you have known it
22 if she had?
23 JOHN RAMSEY: I wouldn't have
24 known it but she certainly would have said it.
25 I mean, there was no reason she would have

1 denied it. I mean, it would be very easy, if we
2 were trying to hide this, it would be very easy
3 to say oh, yeah, I got up and fed her pineapple,
4 that explains that, then put her back to bed.
5 We didn't. So I --
6 LOU SMIT: This is why, you know,
7 people think about those things, and especially
8 detectives.
9 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, what I -- I
10 guess one of the things that I felt all along is
11 I mean this thing with oh, you know, we found
12 the practice note and ransom note -- the
13 practice ransom note on the pad. If I was
14 setting this up, give me some credit for being
15 smarter than that. You know, would I have
16 handed Linda Arndt the pad that I wrote the
17 practice note on? If we were trying to disguise
18 something, why wouldn't we say oh, yeah, we fed
19 her pineapple before she went to bed, that
20 explains that. We didn't.
21 So I can't -- I don't accept that
22 that happened. If it did, I would have said it
23 or Patsy would have said it. Even if we were
24 guilty, I mean what's the big deal? I mean you
25 know, what I mean, that it didn't happen. I

1 know it didn't happen after she went to bed. So
2 I -- there has to be another answer to that
3 question. Than that she got up in the middle of
4 the night and had a big bowl of pineapple and
5 went back to bed or we got her up. So...
6 LOU SMIT: Did she ever go
7 out on her own to go down there and eat
8 pineapple?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't recall that
10 she ever did. I don't know. I don't think so.
11 Not that I remember, ever, at night. She was
12 getting to the point where she was -- she used
13 to be not afraid of the dark or anything at all
14 and then she was getting kind of -- she was
15 growing up a little bit and getting afraid of
16 the dark and, you know, just kind of normal
17 things that -- that people start to think
18 about.
19 But she wouldn't have been -- I
20 mean, we were out solidly asleep, we were all
21 tired. Christmas is a big day, it's exhausting.
22 I know she was, had to be exhausted.
23 LOU SMIT: Can you see why we have
24 that concern, though?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: I can see why

1 you -- you know, this question, where did it
2 come from, but I don't think -- other than the
3 fact that there is this bowl on the table, which
4 I can't -- Patsy needs to look at it to answer
5 that question. But I don't -- it's either very
6 significant if the intruder somehow -- well,
7 that just doesn't make sense.
8 I mean JonBenet was a smart, strong
9 little girl. And if she had the opportunity to
10 scream and to kick and fight, she would have
11 done that. No question in my mind. So I don't
12 buy that, you know, an intruder sat her down and
13 fed her pineapple.
14 LOU SMIT: That explains how
15 she got that? We have got to figure that
16 out?
18 LOU SMIT: I know.
19 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I think
20 Patsy needs to see that picture, see if
21 that makes any sense to her, that bowl.
22 It didn't to me. If our kids or if we had
23 prepared food for our kids, we would have
24 given a teaspoon, because there is a whole
25 drawer full of them. It would have been a

1 heaping bowl of pineapple. Just -- if
2 that bowl were in the refrigerator,
3 covered with Saran Wrap or something, it's
4 possible that Patsy would remember that.
5 But I have to look at the
6 picture, I can't see any other explanation
7 -- it looked strange to me. Quite
8 frankly.


12 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. Are we ready
13 to talk more about the pineapple later on?
14 LOU SMIT: If you would like
15 to, you can talk about it now.
16 JOHN RAMSEY: All right.
17 Bryan chastised me a bit on the way home,
18 he said like you were very adamant that
19 she wouldn't be eating pineapple. What do

20 you know for sure? I said I know we
21 didn't feed her pineapple. I know I
22 didn't feed her pineapple, I know Patsy
23 didn't feed her pineapple, because she
24 said she didn't.
25 And I was going on track of

1 there is no way of a strange intruder
2 could have gotten her down there without
3 her screaming, kicking and hollering and
4 fed her pineapple. But you asked I think
5 if what if it was someone she knew, and
6 that's conceivable. And --
7 LOU SMIT: How would you
8 explain it?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, at the risk of
10 just unfortunately after this case already
11 jumping to the conclusion there was apparently
12 one of JonBenet's friends or parents that day
13 said JonBenet told them that Santa Claus was
14 going to come visit her that night, last night,
15 not the night, I don't know if that's hearsay on
16 my part.
17 LOU SMIT: Where did you hear
18 it from?
19 JOHN RAMSEY: I think I heard it
20 from our investigators. I think.
21 LOU SMIT: Okay?
22 JOHN RAMSEY: Okay. So let's,
23 if that's true, and if the Santa Claus were
24 somebody she knew, she adored Santa Claus, they 25 had a special relationship. If he was the one,

1 came into her room, as previously promised, she
2 wouldn't have been alarmed, she would have gone
3 downstairs with him, gone wherever he wanted. I
4 don't know why he would have sat down and fed
5 her pineapple, but it's possible.
6 LOU SMIT: Do you have any
7 ideas who this could be?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: Bill McReynolds is
9 the only Santa Claus I know. That she knows.

10 LOU SMIT: Didn't JonBenet
11 have other Santa Clauses?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: (Shaking head).
13 LOU SMIT: How about a fellow
14 named Cal?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't -- I don't
16 know.
17 LOU SMIT: How about a Santa
18 Claus that may have been on her note, on
19 the Christmas --
20 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't think
21 there was one. No.
22 LOU SMIT: How about another
23 Santa Claus from a previous years?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, this Bill
25 McReynolds has done it for two or three years.

1 Patsy would know, but I don't know if there is
2 anyone else before that or not. I don't recall
3 if there was. We had a guy at Atlanta, he used
4 to come to our Christmases as Santa Claus and
5 that's kind of how we got the tradition started,
6 he would come to the Christmas party, kind of
7 our office Christmas party at the house, that
8 was, you know, five, six, seven years ago. She
9 wasn't even there, frankly, so --
10 LOU SMIT: Do you understand
11 why I pushed you on this?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I say it hit
13 me like a ton of bricks when I thought about it.
14 I said that's very conceivable. Trying to
15 explain where she ate pineapple and there was
16 pineapple on the table. I don't know if that
17 bowl of pineapple on the table came -- I don't
18 remember seeing it that morning, but it was
19 chaos, so you know, there was food that was
20 gotten out, when people were there. They made
21 toast, I think, that was pretty much all
22 confined to the kitchen, the kitchen counter
23 area.
24 You know, it's possible that bowl
25 was brought out as part of the food for people

1 that were there, in which case this -- that
2 doesn't quite fit. But it's possible.


17 JOHN RAMSEY: It's -- if I -- you
18 know, if I recall this little tidbit that her
19 mother said that JonBenet said Santa was going
20 to come visit her the evening of the 26th, she
21 never told us that. And if that's something
22 they would have, you know, secretly prearranged,
23 would have been very possible, because I think
24 JonBenet took Santa through the house, you know,
25 that night of the 23rd or was with him while he

1 was there the year before, I remember that.
2 If I came -- if I in fact -- if
3 in fact that's who said that to her and in fact
4 was said, and somebody she knew, and was
5 expecting, particularly Santa Claus, she would
6 hop right out of bed, you know, gone to the mall
7 if he wanted to.

8 LOU SMIT: You see that that
9 pineapple is a clue, I mean that's in the
10 case.
11 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it's -- you
12 know what I don't understand, I guess, to -- is
13 when she would have eaten, could she have eaten
14 it during the day, you know, grabbed a bite of
15 pineapple at our house or Fleet's house or how
16 much pineapple. So you guys would know that a
17 lot better than I. But if we say okay,
18 let's -- let's have the hypothesis that she ate
19 the pineapple sometime between 9 p.m. when she
20 came home and -- then and we found a bowl of
21 pineapple on the kitchen table, I know for a
22 fact that I didn't do, serve her pineapple, I
23 know for a fact that Patsy didn't because she
24 said she didn't. She wouldn't have gotten up
25 and just gone down and fixed herself a big bowl

1 of pineapple in my opinion, she's never done
2 that that I ever recall.
3 She was dead tired. And she
4 wouldn't do that. An intruder wouldn't have --
5 say she could open her mouth, she would just
6 scream bloody murder and we heard her, she sure
7 wouldn't have sat there eating pineapple, but if
8 it was somebody she knew I don't know why she
9 would have sat down and ate pineapple, but
10 JonBenet liked pineapple, no question about it.
11 So that's good.
12 I am glad you brought that up too.


10 JOHN RAMSEY: Absolutely. We
11 have some letters if him. We have a tape from
12 him that hopefully you guys have. If you guys
13 don't have it, I couldn't listen to it but it
14 was a tribute to JonBenet or something like
15 that. And apparently it starts up and it says
16 you left Santa Claus and went, you know, doing
17 all those fancy things and you came back to
18 Santa Claus, our guy said it was very weird. He
19 wrote me a letter saying that he carved
20 JonBenet's name in a heart, it had the name of
21 three other little girls that died early.
22 I mean I couldn't start saying,
23 okay, that's the guy. But that's premature, but
24 that would be in my mind explain how, if we said

25 JonBenet ate pineapple between 9 p.m. when she

1 went to bed and when we found her, that is the
2 only way that's plausible to me that she could
3 have eaten. Is someone she knew and trusted and
4 said let's go downstairs, there is a surprise.
5 He might have sat there with pineapple and a
6 glass of tea, I don't know, but --


[Perfect Murder, Perfect Town]1999-02-18: “Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, JonBenet and the City of Boulder”
Written by Lawrence Schiller, February 18, 1999

PMPT Page 239sb

"By mid-February the FBI and the CBI forensics technicians had concluded part of their fingerprint typing and fiber analysis. CBI told the Boulder police that no prints had been found on the black duct tape that John Ramsey said he removed from his daughter's mouth and none were found on the broken artist's paintbrush used to make the "garrote" found around JonBenet's neck. The CBI had been able to identify two fingerprints found on a white bowl on the dining room table that contained uneaten pineapple. One print belonged to Burke and the other to Patsy. Since partly digested pineapple had been found in JonBenet's small intestine at the autopsy, the police wondered if the Ramseys had been less than candid about JonBenet's bedtime activities and what time she fell asleep. Patsy and John had never mentioned with whom, where, or when their daughter had eaten pineapple."


PMPT Page 433

"The police had to piece together the findings of the various pathologists, who had explained to them that when food is swallowed, it goes first to the stomach, then passes to the duodenum, and from there to the lower small intestine. Eventually, the digested food passes into the large bowel, from which it exits. Food found in the stomach and intestines can sometimes be used to estimate the time of ingestion and to narrow the time of death.

In the Ramseys' dining room, just steps away from the kitchen, the police had found a bowl with fresh pineapple in it. Meyer noted in his report that the pineapple in JonBenét's small intestine was in near-perfect condition -- it had sharp edges and looked as if it had been recently eaten and poorly chewed.

Based on the condition of the pineapple in her intestine, the experts estimated that JonBenét had eaten it an hour and a half or two hours before she died, most likely after the family returned home that night. If she had eaten the pineapple after 10:30 P.M., that made the approximate time of death not earlier than midnight."


PMPT Page 557

On November 5, Detective Weinheimer arrived in St. Clair Shores, Michigan, to meet Dr. Werner Spitz, one of the world's foremost forensic pathologists. Weinheimer took with him a stack of black-and-white photographs of the cellulose that coroner John Meyer had found in JonBenet's vagina. Weinheimer wanted to discuss not only the cellulose but also the probable chronology of events leading up to JonBenet's murder. The detective told Spitz about the pineapple found in her small intestine, which might be an indicator of the time of death. Spitz said he would have to examine the slides of the cellulose before he could state anything definitively. He was willing to go to Boulder, he said. Ten days later, Weinheimer and Spitz met with Tom Faure, the coroner's chief medical investigator, at Boulder Community Hospital. By then Weinheimer had already consulted with another specialist, Dr. David Jones, a professor of preventive medicine and biometrics at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center.

Spitz examined the four slides of tissue taken from JonBenet's vaginal area and discussed with Weinheimer and Faure what the coroner had observed about the head injury, strangulation, and vaginal cavity. After viewing the slides, Spitz repeated his opinion: the injury to JonBenet's vagina had happened either at or immediately prior to her death-not earlier.

The police had to piece together the findings of the various pathologists, who had explained to them that when

PMPT Page 558

food is swallowed, it goes first to the stomach, then passes to the duodenum, and from there to the lower small intestine. Eventually, the digested food passes into the large bowel, from which it exits. Food found in the stomach and intestines can sometimes be used to estimate the time of ingestion and to narrow the time of death.

In the Ramseys' dining room, just steps away from the kitchen, the police had found a bowl with fresh pineapple in it. Meyer noted in his report that the pineapple in JonBenet's small intestine was in near-perfect condition-it had sharp edges and looked as if it had been recently eaten and poorly chewed.

Based on the condition of the pineapple in her intestine, the experts estimated that JonBenet had eaten it an hour and a half or two hours before she died, most likely after the family returned home that night. However, one Boulder medical examiner stated it could have been eaten as early as 4:30 p.M.- before the Ramseys left their home for a dinner at the Whites. If JonBenet had eaten the pineapple after 10:30 P.M., that made the approximate time, of death not earlier than midnight."


[http://today.msnbc.com/]2000-03-24: John and Patsy Ramsey on the Today Show (Part 5)


COURIC: For every clue, a new question, like the autopsy finding that JonBenet ate pineapple just hours before she died. None was served at dinner that night, so when did JonBenet eat it? Let's address the mystery of the pineapple. That's been a source of a lot of speculation about what she did when you all got home from that Christmas party. Did she really go straight to bed? Did she eat pineapple...

Mr. RAMSEY: Let's...

COURIC: ...before she went to bed?

Mr. RAMSEY: Let's deal with the facts that I know. The facts are that JonBenet was asleep when we brought her home, we put her to bed, and neither Patsy or I fed her anything, because she was asleep. Those are the facts.


[JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation]2000-04-11: “JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation”
by Steve Thomas and Don Davis, April 11, 2000

ST Page 137

"We tried to get information about bedtime snacks and managed to learn that the girl loved grapes, sliced apples, and fruit of all kinds, especially pineapple. Give her a whole can and she'd eat it. We knew she ate pineapple the night she died, and now her grandmother told us how much the child loved it. While she was talking, I weighed some alternatives. That she was given a bedtime snack from the bowl that had Patsy's fingerprints made more sense to me than the possibility of an intruder feeding the child pineapple, keeping her alive long enough for it to reach her digestive tract, then killing her."


ST Page 165

"She confirmed that the last thing JonBenet had to eat was some cracked crab at the Whites' dinner party on December 25. I knew the Whites served no pineapple that night, but pineapple was found in the victim's stomach, and a bowl of pineapple bearing Patsy's fingerprints was on her kitchen table."


ST Page 192

"Our experts studied the pineapple in the stomach and reported that it was fresh-cut pineapple, consistent down to the rind with what had been found in the bowl. It was solid proof that it wasn't canned pineapple, and what were the chances that an intruder would have brought in a fresh pineapple to cut up for his victim?

At lunch we had our sandwiches at that table while trying to convince Lou Smit of the connection between the mother's fingerprints on the bowl and the pineapple remains found in the child's body. He countered that a crime scene photo showed a Tupperware container in a - paper sack in JonBenet's bedroom, and he believed the contents of that plastic bowl might have been pineapple.

Maybe she got up during the night and ate the pineapple in her

ST Page 193

room, he said, giving us an unlikely alternative. The Tupperware container, never seized, was long gone, and the grainy photo on which he relied was totally inconclusive. I thought the material could have been popcorn, maybe beads, certainly not unrefrigerated pineapple. Perhaps, Smit argued, if she knew the intruder, he might have fed her. "Maybe Santa," he ventured.


ST Page 228

"By examining the condition of the pineapple in the stomach and the rate of digestion, Spitz put the time of death "about or before 1 A.M."


ST Page 304

"The critical pineapple evidence was discussed by another detective. "The $118,000 question is this: When and where was that fresh pineapple consumed?" he asked. There were three theories-that she ate it before leaving the house at 5 P.M., at the Whites', or after she returned home.

If the fruit was consumed before she left for the Whites' party, then given the rate of digestion that obviously stopped with her death, the evidence would indicate that she was probably killed shortly after she arrived home. This would have been the very outside edge of the time

ST Page 305

frame for the time of death. An intruder would have been incredibly bold to do it this way as the rest of the family prepared for bed. We knew pineapple was not served at the Whites' party, which ruled out the second option.

That would indicate that she ate it between the time she returned home about 10 P.M. and the time she died. But if that were the case, then she wasn't carried straight to bed, asleep, as her parents claimed. She ate the pineapple, it was digested, and then she was killed. This was the only way the evidence made sense.


ST Page 317

"With his legs pulled up and his chin on his knees, Burke said he played some Nintendo on the afternoon of December 25. When showed a photograph of the pineapple and bowl, he recognized the bowl. That showed it belonged in the house and was not brought in by an intruder. He recalled nothing unusual at the Whites' party other than getting a mild shock from the electric deer fence outside."


ST Page 322

"Returning to more serious subjects, Ramsey stumbled when Lou Smit questioned him about the pineapple. He insisted that he didn't remember JonBenet eating it at the Whites' Christmas party and knew she didn't eat it at home before going to sleep. In retrospect, he thought it "strange" that Priscilla White fixed her a plate of cracked crab. He would "guarantee" JonBenet did not eat the pineapple at home, so it had to be before they went to the Whites' or while they were there. "I don't buy that an intruder fed her pineapple," he declared, adding that he recognized neither the bowl containing the fruit nor the spoon that were on the table.

The very next day he retracted that firm statement, saying his lawyer chastised him for making it. Neither he nor Patsy fed her pineapple, he said, but then he asked, "What if she knew the intruder?" After thinking about it, he said, "It hit me like a ton of bricks." JonBenet "adored" Santa Bill McReynolds, and if he had come into her room, she would have gotten out of bed and gone downstairs with him without a problem. "She may have had a secretly prearranged meeting," he said. "Maybe he fed her pineapple." The detectives stopped the tape and watched that section repeatedly. Only the day before, Ramsey had said such a thing was impossible. Now he laid it on Santa Bill."

[ABC News 20/20]2000-04-13: Steve Thomas Chat on ABC Good Morning America

Tammy at 12:24pm ET:
What are your thoughts on the findings of pineapple in JonBenét's stomach?

Steve Thomas at 12:25pm ET:

"There was fresh pineapple in the victim's upper digestive tract. There was fresh pineapple, consistent with the rind, in a bowl on the breakfast table with Patsy's fingerprint on it. That affords me a rather simple explanation, given it was fresh pineapple."

[Old APBnews.com message board 2000]2000-05-05: APBnews.com message board Internet chat with former Boulder Detective Steve Thomas from 5/5/2000 to 5/15/2000

APBnews.com message board - May 06, 2000
Thread: "Initial Comments from Steve Thomas"

ACandyRose (May. 06, 2000 06:47 PM)

Great book !!

You stated that JonBenet had "fresh" pineapple. Was there "fresh" pineapple either in the refrigator or in that basket that was suppose to the fruit basket that was suppose to be in the car?

What was the reasons the "Steins" were NOT called that morning like the other friends?

LovelyPigeon (May. 08, 2000 10:02 AM)

In the book, you frequently refer to pineapple found in the "stomach" yet the autopsy report indicates the stomach was empty and the food material was found only in the proximal small intestines. Why do you use the phrase "pineapple in the stomach"?

Also, how, when and by whom was the "fruit or vegetable" material identified positively as pineapple? (I have purchased and read your book but did not find the answers to these 2 questions inside it)

SteveThomas (May. 10, 2000 02:04 AM)
ACandyRose (read)

Dear ACandyRose,

Unfortunately, hindsight is everything.
At the autopsy, the disocvery of the pineapple in the upper digestive tract sparked a recolelction by a detective back to the crime scene -- a bowl of pineapple on the brekafast tbale (which was colelcted and refrigerated as evidence).

Much much later we were able to have the scientists make the determination that the pineapple in the bowl was fresh pineapple (as opposed to canned), and was compared to the pineapple in the victim — consistent right down to the rind in both cases as fresh pineapple.

(Not to mention Patsy's fingerprint . . .but that is another story)

But by the time all these "discoveries" were realized, the thought to determine from where the fresh pinepaple had its genesis was gone -- that is, one cop thought there might have been some fresh cut pineapple in the Ramsey fridge, but it had never been collected. There was no way of knowing then how important this would become later!

We do know, though, that
the White's never served pineapple at their home that night.

Would love to discuss it more wiht you at some later point.

Hope this answered your question on the pineapple.

Re: the Stine's -- why werent they called by Patsy that morning? In my opinion, the Stine's didnt really become close friends until after this tragedy. I found nothing indicating they were in the Ramsey's close circle before Christmas, although they were acquainted and on freindly terms. But the White's and Fernie's were obviouly much closer.


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From the autopsy - "The proximal portion of the small intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple."

There is a great debate about when JBR ate that pineapple.

It seems it came from a bowl of pineapple found on the table in the Ramsey breakfast room. Patsy and Burke had left their prints on the bowl. Burke's prints were on the glass. JBR's ptints were not found there.

I think she grabbed a few chunks with her fingers as they were getting ready to leave for the Whites'.

Others say the killer fed it to her and then waited for it to pass through her stomach to kill her.

Dr. Dobersen told me personally that theere is no way to determine when she ate that pineapple - - too many unknown factors involved, but she could have eaten it before leaving home that day.

Even Steve Thomas, in his book, admits that is a possibility - though he says it is at the out limits of the possible time.

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6366 posts Nov-04-02, 09:59 AM (EST)

3. "on the pineapple"
In response to message #2

On one of my trips to Boulder, I visited with both Dr. Krugman and Dr. Dobersen. They BOTH told me that no one can tell when JonBenét ate the pineapple because no one knows what else she ate that day.

They do know it was not eaten minutes before her death. The pineapple was not in her stomach but in her intestines. Think about kids throwing up - - it can happen hours after a meal - - and they are emptying their stomach, not their intestines.

No one kept track of what JonBenét ate that day. Some foods speed up digestion and others retard it. JonBenét was offered all kinds of food that day - - no one paid any attention to what she ate.

Both doctors told me that she could have eaten that pineapple BEFORE the family left to go to the Whites'. That is what I think happened. I think Burke had gotten out some pineapple, his prints were on the bowl. Why do I think him and not Patsy whose prints were also on the bowl? Well, Patsy's printswould have gotten there when she emptied the dishwasher. But the bowl and oversized spoon was, according to Patsy, not anything she did, not the way she would have served a pineapple snack to the kids. So I think Burke got it out - - and no one has told me that could not be true. ......... I think JBR was walking through the room and saw it and snatched a piece or two. There was no reason for her to touch the bowl to snatch a bit of a treat. And she didn't have much - - seems to me it could be as simple as what I just said.

I don't think the pineapple is related to the murder at all.

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6366 posts Nov-12-02, 02:03 PM (EST)

7. "RE: Not her set-up"
In response to message #6

The bowl was not what she would have used to serve a snack to anyone - and the spoon was not a regular teaspoon. A tea bag in a glass doesn't compute - - you don't make tea in a glass as the boiling water would cause the glass to break. The whole thing was weird.

Since the photos were taken after people had been wandering around for hours - - have to wonder who handled what there.

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unregistered user Dec-06-02, 09:04 AM (EST)

19. "RE: The bowl"
In response to message #18

The evidence list

The cops didn't take the bowl the first day - they took it later - after they were told pineapple was found in the autopsy.

I want to know if the guests or VA saw pineapple in the house that day - - who was serving fruit - yeah, it seems there was other pineapple there so what is the real story?

I want to know if anyone in the house took out the garbage that day - I am guessing they did - and I doubt that garbage was checked later.

The cops would have looked inthe trash early - - but did they later in the day - when the VA and friends were cleaning around? I didn't see trash listed as evidence taken in.

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Dec-06-02, 09:22 AM (EST)

20. "Jameson"
In response to message #19

"The cops didn't take the bowl the first day - they took it later - after they were told pineapple was found in the autopsy."

I believe that to be misinformation on your part.
The bowl was listed as an item taken as authorized by the search warrant of the 26th, where it is listed as item 71KKY. The autopsy was not begun until the 27th. The autopsy resulted in a separate warrant being issued to search for dark fibers, hair and seminal fluid or semen, as justified by the findings at autopsy of suspicious smeared fluid on JonBenet's thighs and fiber and hair evidence on items that touched her body. The warrant of the 27th does not request that officers look for items that may have contained pineapple because pineapple was found inside JonBenet's body.


[Forums For Justice]2004-01-14: The Bonita Papers-1999 (Pineapple)
From a poster known as "Spade" on the www.forumsforjustice.org forum posted information regarding a person known as "Bonita." Spade wrote: "These are the unedited "notes" of Bonita Sauer, secretary/para-legal to Dan Hoffman. Bonita intended to write a book from the case documents provided to her boss. But Bonita's notes were sold to the tabs by her nephew. Larry Pozner is a partner in the same law firm. I hope he reads his secretary's notes about this case before he runs his mouth about the Ramsey's. (Again) This is a long file, so I suggest copying to your own computer and printing it out. I have checked the important case info and find it accurate, however there is some BS. Please post your questions." On another postings, Spade wrote, "Bonita is the 1st name of the legal secretary who wrote up the Boulder Police reports, mailed them to her nephew in Oregon who in turn double-dealt them to two tabs for $70,000. Bonita had access to all the BPD reports. Keep in mind that Bonita wrote-up her info in 1999"

"Then examining the contents of the stomach and intestines, Dr. Meyer found the substance in the stomach was unidentifiable, but chunky matter, appearing to be pineapple, was found in the small intestine. Dr. Meyer noted for the record that food found in the intestines would have been consumed approximately two hours prior."


[Anatomy of a Cold Case by Lawrence Schiller 2006]2006-07-07: “JonBenet: Anatomy of a Cold Case"
Directed by Lawrence Schiller (Court Tv)

VOICE OVER: "Then months after the murder, an investigator examining photographs of the crime scene noticed a bowl on the breakfast room table. The police had always assumed it contained cereal but when they took a closer look at it's contents which had been preserved, they found pineapple."

Tom Haney: and you'd said earlier you'd cleaned off the table after breakfast?
Patsy: I cleaned off the table.
Tom Haney: so that, that wasn't there.
Patsy: hm-mm. No. I've not seen that.
Patsy: I did not feed JonBenet pineapple.
Patsy: So I don't know how it got in her stomach,
Patsy: and I don't know where this bowl of pineapple came from.
Patsy: I can't recall putting that there.

VOICE OVER: "The pineapple only deepened the mystery. No one could pinpoint a motive for the Ramseys to lie about it. And it didn't seem to fit the intruder theory either."

Schiller: "If Jonbenet ate the pineapple after she came back from the the Whites does that mean she was sitting there eating the pineapple with somebody she knew? That she was eating it alone because it's a very chilling feeling to know that she sat eating pineapple with the person who might be responsible for her death. And that chilling feeling is one of the things that has haunted this case."

"Kept from the public until now is the fact that a glass containing a tea bag was photographed next to the bowl of pineapple. How did it get there? And was the tea and the pineapple consummed at the same time?"

Patsy: But I did not do this. If she ate that, somebody put that there.
Patsy: I can never recall putting a tea bag like that, in a cup. Okay.
Patsy: So I don't know, what the answer is.

VOICE OVER: "According to police files none of the Ramseys friends or any member of the Ramsey family had any idea who prepared or served the tea. During the investigation, the crime lab found Patsy and her ten year old son, Burke's fingerprints on the bowl and Burke's on the glass of tea, adding to the mystery."

Henry Lee (Forensic Scientist): "Another area I'm always curious is whether DNA on the glass and on the bowl and particular the spoon, not only the eating area but also the handle."

VOICE OVER: "But according to the investigators, no DNA test have ever been conducted on the spoon , bowl or glass."
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Email to Schiller.
Last week I sent a very long email to Schiller. Get a cup of coffee and sit back. It's the War and Peace of emails;


Dear Mr. Schiller,

Sorry to bother you but I was watching your documentary again and I would like to bring up a few more points.

Why didn't you mention the following:

*The pineapple was consistent with the pineapple in the fridge. Right down to the rhine.
*The flashlight had been wiped clean, including the batteries.
*The coroner who actually did the autopsy does not think for a moment that the marks came from a stun gun.

Mr. Schiller, again, I don't mean to be a pest. I am only hoping you can answer my questions.

Tricia Griffith

I recieved a very nice response from him;

"Thanks for keeping me up to speed.

I could have done a two hour show and included all these areas which are important, but Court TV decided what was important for their audience. They had control over the final edit of the show. Please keep in mind that Court TV has their own reasons for including and excluding and editing the show tight.

You’re a big help and I will adjust some of my information in the future.


[Forums For Justice at www.forumsforjustice.org]2006-07-15: Forums For Justice on thread titled,
"Ah ha! John LIED About Pineapple!"

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"Sandy Stranger had a feeling at the time that they were supposed to be the happiest days of her life, and on her tenth birthday she said so to her best friend Jenny Gray who had been asked to tea at Sandy's house. The speciality of the feast was pineapple cubes with cream, and the speciality of the day was that they were left to themselves. To Sandy the unfamiliar pineapple had the authentic taste and appearance of happiness and she focussed her small eyes closely on the pale gold cubes before she scooped them up in her spoon, and she thought the sharp taste on her tongue was that of a special happiness, which had nothing to do with eating, and was different from the happiness of play that one enjoyed unawares. Both girls saved the cream to the last, then ate it in spoonfuls."

That is fromThe Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. Tea, spoon, pineapple and that looks like cream in the bowl too, from the picture.

[Bowl of Pineapple found at Ramsey house][Why_Nut: I took a picture of the setup here, with a tablespoon, an ordinary cereal bowl (6.5 inches across at its widest), and an ordinary Lipton teabag in an ordinary drinking glass.]July 15, 2006, 5:12 pm, Sat Jul 15 17:12:32 CDT 2006
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Quote: Originally Posted by YumYum012
"Try the teabag tab/teaspoon versus serving spoon experiment at home."

I took a picture of the setup here, with a tablespoon, an ordinary cereal bowl (6.5 inches across at its widest), and an ordinary Lipton teabag in an ordinary drinking glass. You are right: The proportions are certainly unremarkable and not indicative in any way of some huge bowl with some huge spoon being setup in some extraordinary way. From what John and Patsy said, I got the impression the bowl must have been the size of a fruit bowl and the spoon the size of some ladle. Now, that all goes by the wayside.

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And here is a reference to the "Prime" from Pasty herself ... during interviews with BPF Steve Thomas, Tom Trujillo, etc on April 30, 1997:

TT: Okay. Did any scholarships come out of that?
PR: Yes. I uh, there was some scholarship for winning Miss West Virginia. I can’t remember exactly how much and then at the Miss America pageant I won a non-finalist talent award and I think it was a $2,000 scholarship for that.
TT: I’ve got to ask which talent.
PR: (Laughter) “The Kiss of Death” dramatic dialog.
??: (Laugher)
ST: (Inaudible) Miss Jean Brody.
PR: Your right.
TT; Was that, was that earlier?
PR: “The Pride of Miss Jean Brody.” Well actual. . . no it wasn’t, actually what happened, uh, I did the Miss Jean Brody, I competed in high school with that and uh, placed nationally with it and then I had done that for Miss West Virginia and won with that and then when you go to Miss America you have to do through this business of um, in the event you make the top ten and your on television there are all these rights and royalties or whatever they call it and uh, I have, they have to give you clearance, okay, and to make a long story short, I was unable to get clearance for this. Uh, I can’t remember exactly the details, but uh, I ended up writing a dialog that I used and I don’t even remember, but it had a lot of the same characterizations and that kind of thing. It was all, I was definitely thrilled when I won the talent, you know, because it was a real chore getting there."

I'm unsure whether the "Kiss of Death" dialog was the piece that we are discussing, or not. It may just be a joke.

Also ... note what I assume is a transcription error “The Pride of Miss Jean Brody.” The spelling of Brodie is incorrect (but might be useful in Google searches) ... and the "PRIDE" should have been "PRIME". Patsy wouldn't have gotten that wrong.

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I have a question:

13 This is a photograph of 417. what does that
14 represent there?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it's a large spoon, not
16 a teaspoon. It looks like Patsy's good silver. I
17 guess that could be pineapple, I can't tell. But
18 it could be. Some people (INAUDIBLE) pineapple to
19 make it old and there's this teabag in an empty
20 glass. I can't tell, but it looks like there is
21 some milk or something.
22 LOU SMIT: Who do you know would eat
23 pineapple like that? Do you have any idea?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Well the kids like pineapple,
25 but that's a big bowl and this is a big spoon and
1 I can't imagine that the kids would have something
2 like that at any time. Certainly not with iced
3 tea, I don't think. They don't even drink iced
4 tea. I think they do not.

HOW did JR know it was iced tea? How did anyone? If it was just a tea bag in a glass?

[Forums For Justice at www.forumsforjustice.org]2006-08-27: Forums For Justice on thread titled,
"The White Pineapple Bowl"

August 27, 2006, 11:20 pm, Sun Aug 27 23:20:52 CDT 2006
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The White Pineapple Bowl

For the record, the famous white bowl in which pineapple was found in crime scene photos taken after the morning of December 26th 1996 on the breakfast room table appears on the same table during the party on December 23rd when the Ramseys were hosting a gingerbread-house assembly for friends and children.

December 23rd: .................................................................. December 26th or after:
[Ramsey Christmas Party December 23, 1996] [Ramsey Christmas Party December 23, 1996] [Screen Capture from 'JonBenet Anatomy of a Cold Case'] [Screen Capture from 'JonBenet Anatomy of a Cold Case']

Notice the size of the spoon in the bowl compared to the box of Kleenex on the right. You know how big those boxes are. The spoon is clearly smaller than the box. Also, look at the bowl in the context of the first picture at the top of this post, look at the bowl compared to the size of the children in the picture, and then put that spoon in that bowl, and judge for yourself whether you think that, for example, the girl to the right in the photo would have been holding an extremely large serving spoon, or a more ordinarily-sized tea- or tablespoon.

August 27, 2006, 11:56 pm, Sun Aug 27 23:56:56 CDT 2006
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Originally Posted by koldkase
"Well, I don't know, but I am putting in my bet that the white bowl contained marshmellows at the gingerbread house party."

Marshmallows would make sense. I think another relevant aspect of this correlation of item to location found across a span of three days, though, is to narrow down considerably the period of time when both Patsy and Burke would have had the opportunity to deposit their identifiable fingerprints on the bowl. If the bowl was being used on the 23rd, and it was washed after the party, prints deposited before that time would have been eliminated.
So the case requires a theory that puts both Patsy's and Burke's prints on the bowl on December 24th or the 25th.

[Sue's Pic with Bowls numbered]August 29, 2006, 9:09 pm, Tue Aug 29 21:09:46 CDT 2006
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I've looked at the party picture some more and have some suggestions for the contents of the other bowls, for sizing purposes.

I added numbers to the party picture (it's titled slide1) to help with figuring out what I'm talking about. Here's what I think the bowls contain:

Bowl 1 (top left of picture) with the kind of pastel colored things might have mini pretzels covered with pastel colored chocolate.

Bowl 2 (top right of picture), sort of a lacy bowl with red stuff might have Twizzlers.

Bowl 3 (bottom left) i think has multi colored gumdrops. The white things in there might be white gumdrops or mini mashmallows that came from a different bowl.

Bowl 4 (bottom right) looks like M&Ms candies.

And, I found pictures of each of those candies in case you don't know what they look like and I tried to find pictures that showed size.

You can see how big mini pretzels are. I couldn't find one that showed the size that was dipped in pastel chocolate, but I have seen them before.

Twizzlers are about 6 inches long.

The picture with sticks and little pieces of candy are gumdrops put together with pieces of spaghetti. Gumdrops come in many colors and sugar covered or sort of shiny.

September 3, 2006, 11:25 pm, Sun Sep 3 23:25:38 CDT 2006
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I found confirmation of what candies were used for decorating the gingerbread houses: From Patsy's 1997 police interview posted on acandyrose.com

TT: All right. Um, and this is when they, they decorated the little gingerbread houses. . .
PR: Right.
TT: . . .and that kind of stuff. Okay. How do you, how do you decorate gingerbread hoses with that many little kids?
PR: Well, I bought the gingerbread houses at Safeway. . .
TT: Um hum.
PR: . . .all ready stuck together.
TT: Okay.
PR; Then I bought this huge big tub of frosting. . .
TT: Um hum.
PR: . . .and Pricilla brought these frosting bags. . .
TT: Um hum.
PR: . . .or something like you decorate a cake with and I bought just bunches of jelly beans and M&Ms and all the, gum drops, you know, and al that stuff and the kids just . . .
TT: squirted it out and stuck . . .
PR: . . .squirted it out and stuck it on, you know, it was all over the place.
TT: I bet.
PR: That was. . .
TT: Quite the clean up job afterwards.
PR: That was fun.

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