2001-08-07: Webbsleuths Forum (http://www.webbsleuths.com)
"The pro-Ramsey Lynch Mob"
"The pro-Ramsey Lynch Mob"
Posted by Diwi on Aug-07-01 at 02:46 PM (EST)
Jams, et al:
I am OUT of this place as a registered member. If
you, "Jameson," wish to, please send me a check
back for the amount I paid you to join your forum
and support it. I will put the money to a good
cause, which THIS forum is NOT. If you do not
want to send my money back, fine, just delete me
from your registered membership please.
My instincts on such things are usually correct,
and so I now present to you all an email I just
received from the person mentioned in the other
thread as a possible suspect/killer. I was SICK
to read this, and Jams, and all of those who do
this sort of thing, you oughta be ashamed of
yourselves. Wise the FUCK up, people...
EMAIL SENT TO ME (OTHERCAT@HOTMAIL.COM) 8-7-01:
Sir: Thanks much for writing, and please allow me to apologize in advance for
any typos or whatnot that will undoubtedly be contained in this response since
I'm still more than a little shaken up by this sick situation that the group
you've mentioned has put me in. And though I'm aware that I'm right now
answering a question that I didn't receive from you (but have received from
others of late), I would like to state before going any further that I've never
lived in Colorado (and only visited it once, about two days when I was around
eight or nine years old), have never been a suspect or even been in a situation
to have been a suspect in any murder case (let alone been asked any questions by
a police officer that didn't begin with something along the lines of "do you
know how fast you were going?"), and I do not even know the Mike McElroy person
that I'm supposed to have a friendship with. As I mentioned earlier, I hope you
don't mind that I feel the need to soapbox here, but it's been a difficult few days
for me since this all began. I'm sure you can imagine that it's incredibly
unnerving to go online one day to find out that gaggle of internet people have
nothing better to do with their time than decide to engage in a spree of
character assasination because I happen to share a fairly common name with
someone in another state.
That said, this is the second time that this has happened to me because of this
group, the first time occurring about a year ago October when my name and url
started appearing on search engines at that forums archives. When that
happened, I was angry and sickened and wrote to Crosswinds requesting that
something be done and since then my name hasn't appeared under the forum in
searches. So while I was angry the first time, I have to say that this time has
just left me completely depressed and feeling all that self-pity that I used to
mock about myself on my web page. I've been having difficulty eating and
sleeping, have been launching into panic attack fits of shakes, and have no
doubt been a collossal pain in the ass for my girlfriend to have to deal with
(at the risk of sounding ridiculous, I have to add that this is all going on at
the same time that there's a family member in the hospital, so my stress meter
was already through the roof when I received my first notice a!
So, yes: since writing to the archive's web host didn't do me any good, and
since I would rather not have to deal with getting letters from the sort of
creepy, lonely people who have been writing to me, I took the web page down. It
wasn't something I was particularly attached to--it went online in 1998 and I've
never updated it--but it was something I liked having and a great many people,
some of whom I've been lucky enough to become friends with, got the humor of it
(which I don't think is nearly as difficult as the forum seems to imply--I'm not
I've thought of posting a retraction to the various smears on the posts, but
I've given up on that because I can tell from what I've read that even knowing
I'm not the person they think I am won't stop them from their misguided,
self-righteous attacks--since their attacks have no basis in reality, reality
and truth don't seem to be a successful means of defense. I honestly don't know
what I'm going to do, I just know that it doesn't involve dealing with them at
all. I think that they honestly think they're doing the right thing, as have
any number of lynch mobs, and anything I say to them is going to be picked apart
and dismissed and probably deleted after being offered up as further "proof"
that I'm someone else.
Ideally, I would like to see the whole thread deleted and an apology sent to me
by the forum moderator. Certain actions of theirs border on the criminal, such
as posting an unauthorized reproduction of my defunct web page on the forum,
which is a clear violation of my copyright over what I have written and when and
how I present it. But, again, I really don't know what to do--and with all the
other things going on in my life right now, I don't plan on devoting what free
hours I have to getting into some sort of pathetic row with these people unless,
of course, they make the move from being simply disturbing to outright
threatening, at which point I don't think I'd have any choice but to go to the
police and possibly a personal injury lawyer--I'm not always happy with my life,
but it is my life and I don't think strangers should decide to toy with it over
a case of mistaken identity.
That's about it--yes, there have been e-mails about this and yes, that's why I
took the web page down: out of concern for my privacy and out of concern for my
safety. I'm tired of having to dread checking my mail, something I used to
enjoy doing. I'm tired of being so broken up over this that I keep waking up
from horrible stress nightmares. And I'm tired of having to wonder why exactly
my cheesey ambrose bierce knock-off of a page had to be the target of these
people, making myself an indirect but no less frightened target.
Thanks again for writing, and for your time reading this response. I appreciate it.
4 . "Diwi"
Posted by jameson on Aug-07-01 at 03:08 PM (EST)
I have not heard from Jason at all - - would welcome a discussion if he desires contact.
Mueller is not a rare last name and I doubt there is just one Jason Mueller in the world. Maybe it is another guy. Would be nice to know for sure one way or the other.
His website was "different", if he didn't want the world to see it, he probably shouldn't have put it up on the World Wide Web.
5 . "get real"
Posted by jameson on Aug-07-01 at 03:16 PM (EST)
There is no apology forthcoming. Not from me.
The guy's web site was damn weird; people visited his pages and discussed them. His name was in a suspect's email and we had a discussion about it. Nothing more or less.
12 . "his words"
Posted by jameson on Aug-07-01 at 04:38 PM (EST)
Jason wrote, "I would rather not have to deal with getting letters from the sort of
creepy, lonely people who have been writing to me, I took the web page down."
I didn't write him - - and I don't blame him for not wanting mail from those who couldn't wait to be his "friend" and tell him how his page was being discussed here.
Reminds me of one poster who sent money and care packages to a certain convict - - and posted that she never EVER wanted him to have her real address.
We need to just realize that "they're out there." Can't avoid them - have to learn to live with them and that means protecting ourselves.
I think he is probably wise to have removed the pages - - but that's JMO.