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Jeff and Kathy Merrick
Reportedly attended a murder mystery dinner

JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case
Jeff and Kathy Merrick
Individual Date Reference Key ? Gave Prints Gave Blood Gave Hair Handwriting Got DNA Cleared or Alibi
Jeff Merrick
(Louisville, Colorado)
(Ex-Access Employee)
Met Ramsey 1971, both worked at AT&T, Columbus, Oh. Started Access 1994, quit 1996 when Ramsey needed to cut salary. Said Access owed him $118,000, settled for half. Filed ethics violation with corporate headquarters at Lockheed Martin.
DOI pg166, "Jeff Merrick, who had threatened to bring me and Access Graphics down when he left the company in 1996."
Donald Paugh thought:
Tom Carson
12-18-1996 at
Pasta Jays was
murder mystery dinner with
Mike Glynn
Michael Minard
Jason Perkins
Cameron Hindson
The Merricks
Jim Marino

Ramsey added
Merrick to the
Suspect List
DOI Pg19
DOI Pg166
ST Pg90
ST Pg121

Ramsey 1997
1998, 2000
Boulder Police

PMPT Pg13,67,
PMPT Pg108
PMPT Pg127,
PMPT Pg449

Jeff Merrick
Peter Boyles
--- --- --- --- --- --- Investigated by
Fred Patterson
Merrick's House

Investigated by
Steve Thomas
Ron Gosage
Merrick's House

See Wife
Kathy Merrick

Refused Polygraph
Kathy Merrick
(Louisville, Colorado)
(Ex-Access Employee)
Nedra's suspect list included, Jeff Merrick and his "vicious" wife. Their alibi: On Christmas, the visited Kathy’s brother-in-law in Aurora, then visited Dick, Diane Foote and were home 8:00pm, watched TV, went to bed.
Donald Paugh thought:
Tom Carson
12-18-1996 at
Pasta Jays was
murder mystery dinner with
Mike Glynn
Michael Minard
Jason Perkins
Cameron Hindson
The Merricks
Jim Marino
ST Pg90

PMPT Pg67,
PMPT Pg108
PMPT Pg127

Jeff Merrick
Peter Boyles
--- --- --- --- --- --- Investigated by
Fred Patterson
Merrick's House

Investigated by
Steve Thomas
Ron Gosage
Merrick's House


1997-04-30: John Ramsey Interrogation by Steve Thomas, Tom Trujillo

John Ramsey Interrogation by Steve Thomas, Tom Trujillo
Also present, Pat Burke, Bryan Morgan, Pete Hoffstrom, Jon Foster
April 30, 1997 - Boulder, Colorado

ST: John, as you know that I have been over at Access, and done a number of, by checking on a number of people over there, is there anybody that you feel that we’ve missed that there is further inquiry?

JR: Well, I think, I mean hopefully we give you everybody that we’ve identified just,
and certainly one of the first persons that we mentioned I think was this Jeff Merrick, who was discharged and left in a very disgruntled manner. There was a person that came up, which I think they’ve given you the name, I can’t remember the names. Somebody out of our tech support group, who was really a real strange case, and a, I think (inaudible) mentioned his name. I didn’t even know him, but.

1997-04-30: Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Steve Thomas, Tom Trujillo

Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Steve Thomas, Tom Trujillo
Also present, Pat Burke, Bryan Morgan, Pete Hoffstrom, Jon Foster
April 30, 1997 - Boulder, Colorado

TT: Okay. Some of this stuff, may not be able to help us a whole lot. I’m kind of going back to access Graphics a little bit. Um, I think I need to touch on it again, but I will. Any concerns that John’s brought home from work about problems at Access (inaudible). Any employees other than the, we’ve got a couple of employees that you guys were talking about.
PR: Yeah.
TT: And that Ellis has given us.
PR: Yeah. Well, I uh, remember, I don’t know the time frame exactly, but this fellow named Jeff Merrick . . .
TT: Um hum.
PR: . . .who was, has known John for several years, I guess from, I think they worked together at AT&T when John was out of college or something like that, but he came to work at Access and was subsequently asked to resign, I think. . .
TT: Okay.
PR: . . .and I remember John and my dad, you know, works there too, that they were both concerned that he was, you know making threats. . .
TT: Um hum.
PR: . . .to Access and he didn’t go quietly in other words.
TT: Right.
PR: Uh, and that was, you know . . .
TT: Ellis gave us Jeff Merrick and Mike Glenn.
PR: Mike Glenn, yeah.
TT: Any other names that have come up that that you guys can think of?
PR: Uh, you know, I mean, you just, I mean we have done nothing but try to rack our brains over this . . .
TT: Um hum.
PR: . . .since this happened and uh, you know, John, I, John would probably know better about anybody at the office or anything,
but just, I remember Merrick and uh, oh Jim Morino, I think we, we kind of, John kind of had him maybe at the top of the list. Um, and this Mike Glenn. And all three, I believe released or if I remember right.
TT: Okay. Now, mike and Jeff um, have they ever been to your home at all?
PR: Yes.
TT: Okay. When was the last time Mike was at your house?
PR: Oh, jeez, I can’t remember, you know, I, I mean they’d just been there. I know when we kind of first moved we were, it was when we, I remember we were remodeling the patio, so I don’t know when that was. A few years ago. I mean, sort of after we had moved, first moved in we, it was Fourth of July and we went with Mary and Mike and their little girl to Chautauqua Park over the Fourth of July
TT: Um hum.
PR: That’s what I remembered and then they came down and had hamburgers and then we walked down to the stadium for the fireworks.
TT: Um hum.
PR: And he dropped by a couple of times and brought John, this is before I think he even worked at Access.
TT: Okay.
PR: He would bring, he was with the football program. He brought John Colorado sweater one time.
TT: Okay.
PR: You know, I, I can’t, they haven’t been there anytime recently.
TT: Okay. Since Mike uh, left Access, ahs he been there at all?
PR: Uh, not to my knowledge.
TT: Okay. Um, sounds like he’s kind of dropped in every once and awhile. He wasn’t. . .
PR: Yeah.
TT: . . .wasn’t a frequent visitor at all to the house.
PR: Um, no. Hum um.
TT: Okay. What about Jeff Merrick? How, how often did he come by the house?
PR: Not very often. I remember he and his wife came by when I was under chemotherapy treatment and they uh, you know, we sat in the sun room and talked (inaudible).
TT: Okay, um. . .
PR: I mean they weren’t um, you know, they, we didn’t socialize with them or anything, you know.
TT: Right. Do you know when the last time Jeff was in the house? Would it been kind of the same length as Mike, quite a while back?
PR: It would be quite a while ago.
TT: Okay.
PR: As far as I can remember.


[John Ramsey, June 1998 Interviews]1998-06-23: John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane
(Screen Capture from "CBS 48 Hours Investigates - Searching for a Killer" 10/04/2002)

John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane
Present also were Bryan Morgan, PI David Williams
June 23, 24, 25, 1998 - Boulder, Colorado


June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Jeff and Kathy Merrick)

23 MIKE KANE: You also mentioned Jeff Merrick's
24 wife. What was it about that?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: Well Merrick was a guy that

1 I worked with at AT&T when we first got out of the
2 Navy. And we went through the management
3 indoctrination class together and just kind of
4 became friends and stayed in touch more by
5 telephone over the next 20 years.
6 He was good about calling once a year just to stay
7 hello and he was a real talker, and we always talk
8 for half an hour. So if felt like I knew him well,
9 but I didn't.
10 Then he called me, I don't know when it was
11 exactly, but he said that he had just been fired
12 from his job at Snap-On Tools where he had been
13 for 18 years and he needed a job, did we have
14 anything. And I knew he was a distribution guy and
15 we were in the distribution business.
16 So I got kind of excited about it and had him come
17 in for an interview. And we used to use a
18 psychologist to get a profile on the people who
19 we're going to hire. I mean, that's an
20 organization who determines whether people are
21 good or not to do what we're going to hiring them
22 to do.
23 And he got interviewed for them and he was going
24 to work for Don Paugh, my father-in-law. And the
25 psychologist came back and said, no, that's not

1 the one. He's too big picture. He's not a detail
2 guy; he's not a hands on guy. Don didn't want to
3 hire him.
4 And then Jeff was just insistent and call me at
5 home, "Hi. Did you guys make a decision yet." And
6 he'd helped out once. So I kind of forced the
7 decision, let's hire the guy. It was against
8 everybody's good judgment. It didn't work out.
9 Three or four years later, Don finally did what
10 everybody knew pretty much should have been done,
11 was terminate his employment and did it.
I did it
12 in as amicable a way as we could so we had time to
13 get back on his feet and (INAUDIBLE). But he just
14 flew off the handle. He said, "Does John know
15 about this?" He said, "I'm going to talk to him."
16 And then I was out of town at the time or
17 something. And I guess he became very verbally
18 violent. And he sat in my office and said, "I'm
19 going to bring you to your knees." And I said,
20 "Jeff, you wouldn't be in here if we weren't
21 friends."
And I said, "I'm not going to override
22 something that somebody in this organization has
23 done. I still consider you a friend."
24 It was just a very --
and he filed a grievance
25 with Lockheed ethics group and Lockheed is very

1 sensitive about ethics in government contracting
2 businesses. And he wrote this big, long letter
3 about Don and I and the company and how we
5 Lockheed brought in people and we were
6 investigated for weeks. But we cleared up
7 everything. But he was a very hostile (INAUDIBLE)
8 so when the people asked if there was anybody at
9 work (INAUDIBLE).
10 MIKE KANE: What about his wife?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: I always thought his wife
12 was kind of strange.
Jeff was married to, what I
13 always thought was a nice lady. They had a couple
14 of kids. They got divorced. It was a pretty
15 hostile divorce. He was always hauling him into
16 court. (INAUDIBLE) precipitated in divorce, this
17 woman he worked with.
18 Her kids didn't live with her, which is strange.
19 She was divorced; the kids lived with their dad. I
20 (INAUDIBLE) thought it was kind of odd. So she was
21 as angry as Jeff.
22 MIKE KANE: Was he married to that second
23 wife when this all happened?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Right.
25 MIKE KANE: (INAUDIBLE) she was his angry

1 wife behind her husband who as mad as the devil at
2 anything. I could see, perhaps, that she wasn't
3 the sweet loving mother.
4 MIKE KANE: Go on, go ahead.
5 LOU SMIT: I just have another question
6 on Jeff Merrick. I have something in the report,
7 and I'm going to have to do just a little research
8 on it,
but I think that there was something about
9 a $100,000 figure (INAUDIBLE) was what his payoff
10 was. And I kind of compare that with a $118,000
11 just to see if there was any correlation there?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: See, when he first demanded
13 what he wanted, to leave without making a fuss, I
14 think it was $250,000. And I forget the logic, but
15 if you took that number and subtracted what he
16 actually got left, a hundrerdish thousand about.
17 LOU SMIT: That's what I was wondering about,
18 because it could have been 118 that you owed him
19 or something. And he just figured that.
20 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember exactly.
21 I remember coming up with around a hundred.
22 (INAUDIBLE) but I don't remember any kind of 118.
23 We gave him the severance. We paid for outsource
24 or outplacement counseling. There were a number of
25 things that we did in that up to the $250,000.

June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Jeff and Kathy Merrick)

1 LOU SMIT: Is there a way of determining that?
2 I mean, I'm thinking he told me 118 thousand.
3 JOHN RAMSEY: I think Gary Yearman, he was HR
4 director, and still is. He would have remembered
5 it very well, because he handled it.
6 MIKE KANE: Access is still (INAUDIBLE) is
7 still (INAUDIBLE)?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. I guess he was (INAUDIBLE)
9 the whole episode. Don Paugh also because he was
10 the supervisor.


11 MIKE KANE: Was it for you
12 personally you didn't like the attention or for
13 your family?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: Um, I was starting
15 to think geez, you know, we need to -- because
16 we had -- we had had, you know, since Jeff
17 Meric and we had a couple of other employees who
18 were let go. Not that I even knew, but that
19 didn't go happily and I just was starting to
20 think about I better, you know, I need to start
21 thinking about visibility.
22 MIKE KANE: How do you square that
23 with Little Miss Colorado pageants?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: That was part of
25 what I guess was starting to think about. I

1 mean in retrospect it was totally foolish, but
2 it was, I mean these -- see, if you don't think
3 like an evil person, you assume everybody else
4 is kind of normal like you, and these little
5 pageants were in a little room with the parents
6 and these little parades in Charlevoix were you
7 know, small town parades, everybody knew each
8 other, and we just kind of a fun thing for kids
9 to do. It was innocent.
10 We had falsely, I think, assumed
11 that Boulder was a small innocent town.
12 used to go back to Atlanta and our friends would
13 talk about their security systems and you know
14 if you shoot the guy, be sure to get him in the
15 house, you know. And God, we don't talk about
16 this stuff in Boulder. It was just, you know,
17 being out of that environment and coming back to
18 it, it just was astounding to us. We thought we
19 were in safe little Boulder, nothing ever
20 happened in Boulder.


25 JOHN RAMSEY: Not recently, I had

1 a clearance, no. This is probably ten or 15
2 years ago, to go into nuclear plants, I forget
3 how that was given to me, but --
4 MIKE KANE: Um --
5 JOHN RAMSEY: As far as Lockheed.
6 MIKE KANE: You're not aware of any
7 threats to your company, I think you have been
8 asked that.
10 JOHN RAMSEY: Yes, once there have
11 been passed on I mean, been typically from
12 employees that have been discharged, Jeff Meric
13 being the most notable. Other than that.


22 LOU SMIT: How did Don Paugh get to
23 the airport when he went to Atlanta, did anybody
24 bring him?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: He would either take

1 a limo, probably took a limo. I don't know,
2 that's typically I think how he would get to the
3 airport. I don't think he drove his car very
4 often.
5 LOU SMIT: Did he ever live with
6 anybody in his apartment or was it just him
7 alone?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: No, that was kind of
9 our corporate apartment. I lived there for a
10 while. Patsy and I and Burke lived there for a
11 while. Jeff Merrick (phonetic) lived there for
12 a while. Michael Bernard (phonetic) lived there
13 for a while. Curt Fisher lived there for a
14 while, a fellow we hired.


[Perfect Murder, Perfect Town]1999-02-18: "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, JonBenet and the City of Boulder"
Written by Lawrence Schiller, February 18, 1999

PMPT Page 67

"Now, the police decided, everyone who disliked John Ramey for any reason had to be interviewed without delay.

While Thomas and Gosage were interviewing the Barnhills, Detective Cary Weinheimer met with Denise Wolf, John Ramsey’s executive assistant at Access Graphics. She gave him the names of other employees who might have grievances.

Jeff Merrick was someone Ramsey had mentioned to the police on December 26. Ramsey had met Merrick in 1971, when they both worked as supervisors for AT&T in Columbus, Ohio. In 1994 Ramsey had found a job for Merrick with Access Graphics, but he didn’t fit in. Ramsey tried him in different positions, and eventually he demoted him from director of distribution to director of security while letting him keep his six-figure salary. In March 1996, Ramsey could no longer justify Merrick’s salary to Lockheed Martin and told Merrick he would have to take a large pay cut or leave by April 30. Merrick chose to leave. Later, he claimed the company owed him close to $118,000. He settled for half that amount, but one director of the company heard him say he was going to get Ramsey. Merrick then sent a long fax to Lockheed Martin, denouncing Ramsey for the way he dealt with employees.

On the afternoon of Tuesday, December 31, Detectives Patterson and Weinheimer interviewed Merrick at his home in Louisville, just fifteen minutes from the Ramseys’ house.
Merrick told the police that he and his wife, Kathy, had spent Christmas with Kathy’s brother-in-law in Aurora and in the afternoon had visited their friends Dick and Diane Foote. The Merricks went home at about 8:00 and watched TV until they went to bed. His wife hadn’t been feeling well, Merrick said. At 6:30 A.M. on December 26, he left for work in Littleton."


PMPT Page 108

"Detective Thomas and Gosage were at the Access Graphics office that day, conducting interviews. Among other, they talked to Patsy’s father, Donald Paugh, who had helped get the company off the ground in Atlanta, continued to work with his son-in-law when John made the move to Boulder in 1991. At the time of JonBenet’s murder, Paugh owned a condominium in Boulder where he spent most of his time, and a home in Roswell, Georgia, with his wife, Nedra, who would often come to boulder to visit. Paugh’s Boulder home was just down the street from a restaurant called Pasta Jay’s in which John Ramsey happened to be an investor.
When the detectives interviewed Paugh on January 9, he said that on December 18, Jeff Merrick and his wife, Kathy, Jason, Perkins, Cameron, Hindson, Tom Carson, and Mike Glynn had eaten together at Pasta Jays. Paugh thought it strange that former Access Graphics employees were dining with a current employee like Carson"

1999-02-26: Boulder Daily Camera - February 26, 1999 - Letters To The Editor

Boulder Daily Camera - February 26, 1999
http://www.bouldernews.com/opinion/letters/226lette.htmlLetters to the Editor
Letters To The Editor
February 26, 1999

17 errors and counting

In writing about me in his book, "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town," Lawrence Schiller at one point makes 17 factual errors in 12 consecutive sentences. One can only imagine how many he might have made in the total 621 pages.
I never granted Schiller an interview. I don't know where he got what he wrote in my case, but it certainly was not adequately verified or confirmed. It's been a long time since I received journalism training (M.S., University of Illinois), but I do not recall an instance where it was acceptable to present hearsay as fact.



[Death of Innocence]2000-03-18: “Death of Innocence” written by John and Patsy Ramsey

DOI Page 19

"The police want to know if I know of anyone who would do this. Linda Arndt asks if there is anybody who might be upset with me - personally or workwise? Anybody who has threatened me?

I think for a while then tell them about Jeff Merrick, who had been released recently by our company and left very angry. Jeff had been a friend since he was just out of college, when we both worked for AT&T, and I had arranged for his job with Access a few years earlier. I had tried to make sure that Jeff landed on his feet now and had time to find a new position. Still, Jeff's reaction went way beyond distress. He told people he would bring me and the company down to our knees. He filed a long ethics violation complaint with our corporate headquarters at Lockheed Martin, alleging all sorts of misdeeds. Jeff clearly was one person who was extremely agitated with me. Sadly, he was someone the police would need to check out thoroughly because of how outspoken he had been."

[http://today.msnbc.com/]2000-03-24: John and Patsy Ramsey on the Today Show (Part 5)


COURIC: You pepper the book with fleeting references to some other people that you seemed to question. You talk about Bill McReynolds, who played Santa at your Christmas party. You also mention his wife, who in a strange twist wrote a play years before about a girl murdered in a basement.

Mr. RAMSEY: Mm-hmm. The point in the book was to clarify from our viewpoint why these people have been mentioned a lot in the media. And also to point out that there are legitimate leads that need to be followed.

COURIC: You also mention Jeff Marrick, a former employee of yours, John, who was very angry...

Mr. RAMSEY: Mm-hmm.

COURIC: ...with you because he was fired?

Mr. RAMSEY: I had no reason to suspect Jeff. But it was in response to the--a question the police asked, can you think of anybody that was angry with you?

COURIC: In fairness to the people we've just mentioned, we just want to say the Boulder police have told us that none of them are under suspicion at this time.

Mr. RAMSEY: All I ask the Boulder police to do is to look at every lead as objectively and as hard as they've--as they've looked at us.

Ms. RAMSEY: Mm-hmm.


[JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation]2000-04-11: “JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation”
by Steve Thomas and Don Davis, April 11, 2000

ST Page 90

"Nedra gave us some two dozen suspects off the top of her head, and when we asked if the initials SBTC meant anything to her, she snapped, "Yes. Son of a bitch Tom Carson." Years before, Carson, the current chief financial officer at Access Graphics, had been involved in Nedra's dismissal from the company. She also pointed to Fleet and Priscilla White,
Jeff Merrick and his "vicious" wife, housekeeper Linda Hoffmann-Pugh, a handyman, a painter, the gardener, the nanny, and a couple of neighborhood kids. While thinking about other possible suspects, she accused one worker of theft, called a black man "boy," and described a little girl the same age as JonBenet as homely. But she had not one negative word to say about John Ramsey, which I thought was unique for a mother-in-law."

[Atlanta 2000 Interviews]2000-08-29: Patsy Ramsey Interview - Atlanta, Georgia
(Screen Capture from "CBS 48 Hours - Searching for a Killer" 10/04/2002)

Patsy Ramsey Interview - Atlanta, Georgia - August 28, 2000
Interviewed by: Michael Kane, Bruce Levine, Mitch Morrissey,
Mark Beckner, Tom Wickman, Tom Trujillo and Jane Harmer

Ramsey Representatives Present: Lin Wood, Ollie Gray,
and John San Augustine


August 2000 Patsy Ramsey Atlanta Interview
(Jeff and Kathy Merrick)

24 CHIEF BECKNER: I don't think you
25 talked about Jeff Merit or Jeff Merit's wife

1 yesterday. Am I remembering that correctly?
2 MR. WOOD: I don't know Jeff
3 Merit. I don't think you asked about him or
4 his wife
5 THE WITNESS: No, we didn't speak
6 of him --
7 MR. WOOD: -- or Jeff Merit by
8 name.
9 CHIEF BECKNER: When Bruce was
10 asking you yesterday about people who were
11 mentioned as possible suspects, Jeff Merrick
12 or his wife was mentioned at one time.
13 THE WITNESS: Right.
14 CHIEF BECKNER: Do you not
15 consider either Jeff or his wife no longer
16 possible suspects?
17 THE WITNESS: Well, early on we
18 provided a list, Boulder police or whomever,
19 said who could -- is there anybody that
20 could be angry with you all or you know had
21 a reason or who had access to the -- I mean
22 because we made lengthy lists of those. And
23 I believe John, you know, mentioned Mr.
24 Merrick among that list because he had been
25 let go from Access.

1 And I remember very vividly that
2 the day he was going to be asked to let go,
3 I was afraid. Not unlike the postal
4 incidents that happen. I was just afraid
5 for my father and John and -- because you
6 never know what people are going to do when
7 they are asked to leave a company.
8 And subsequent to that, when he
9 was asked to leave, he made some threats to
10 John and I think maybe even to my father.
11 That -- I mean, I am paraphrasing. I don't
12 know exactly. You can ask John, but
13 something like you are going to be sorry. I
14 am going to bring this company to your
15 knees. Just really, you know, ugly.
16 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mrs. Ramsey,
17 since June of 19
18 MR. WOOD: Let me ask you, I
19 think what you were asking her is anything,
20 have you learned anything that has caused you
21 to have less concern about potentially
22 Merrick.
24 MR. WOOD: Right now I can tell
25 you, Chief, until you all can tell us

1 somebody has been cleared, I don't think
2 anybody that has been mentioned has ever, in
3 our mind, been taken off of possibilities.
4 I mean, you all haven't, as I
5 understand, you all haven't officially
6 cleared, I am not even sure beyond Burke,
7 John Andrew and Melinda.
8 I hear rumblings back from the
9 White camp that April of '97 allegedly he
10 was cleared, but as I remember what I
11 learned about it, it looked pretty qualified.
12 THE WITNESS: All right. Because
13 I don't know --

August 2000 Patsy Ramsey Atlanta Interview
(Jeff and Kathy Merrick)

14 MR. WOOD: We are not here to
15 clear anybody. The question for her was
16 about --
17 CHIEF BECKNER: I am asking her
18 what she believes.
19 MR. WOOD: If she's heard anything
20 that's changed her -- any other additional
21 information about Merrick other than what you
22 already had given them earlier.
24 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Let me follow up
25 on that, Mrs. Ramsey. How were you advised

1 before he was fired that he was going to be
2 fired? How did you know he was going to be
3 fired?
4 A. I don't remember. I think
5 probably John.
6 Q. John told you?
7 A. Probably. I can't think of where
8 else I would have heard it, but I am not
9 sure.
10 Q. Before he was let go, what was it
11 about him, you said you were fearful that
12 day he was going to be let go, what was it
13 about him that made you fearful that day
14 before he was let go?
15 A. I don't know. I don't know if I
16 can -- I am not sure I understand your
17 question.
18 Q. You said before he was let go,
19 you were fearful that he was going to be let
20 go.
21 THE WITNESS: No, I wasn't
22 fearful he was going to be let go. When I
23 understood that he was going to be fired
24 that day, I was frightened for my husband's
25 safety.

1 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Because he was
2 going to be fired that day?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Was there anything about Jeff
5 Merrick you knew, violent propensities or
6 anything of that nature, before he was told
7 that he was no longer employed by Access
8 Graphics?
9 A. No.
10 Q. What was it that made you
11 fearful?
12 A. Well, just because of, like, I
13 gave an example of the postal workers. When
14 an employee is fired, you never know how
15 they are going to react to that.
16 Q. Okay. Were there other people
17 that had been fired by Access Graphics that
18 you had the same fear?
19 A. I didn't know. I guess I didn't
20 know many more people. I knew Jeff Merrick.
21 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mrs. Ramsey, is
22 there anything since June of 1998, any
23 contact at all you had with Mr. and Mrs.
24 Merrick which has increased or solidified
25 your belief that they are viable suspects in

1 the murder of your daughter?
2 A. I have not had any contact with
3 them.


2006-08-31: Peter Boyles Radio Show 630KHOW
Guest: Jeff Merrick, Norm Early (Link to full transcript)

BOYLES: Good morning, it's six and a half minutes after the hour of seven. We are Denver's talk station, good morning and welcome to the show. And it was am amazing performance. I got a call from a very good friend of mine that said movies don't run that long. And it really got down to the finalities there that we really don't have nothing. We just simply did it. KHOW radio, I'm Peter Boyles good morning now, first of all in Florida, please say good morning to Jeff Merrick. Jeffrey Good Morning.

BOYLES: Right now let's turn to Jeff because everyone knows Norms career and that's why it's important to have Norm with us this morning. Jeffrey, I know you've written a book. Tell your story of your relationship with John Ramsey, the Ramsey case and how you became fingered as we now say by them as the killer of the little girl.

MERRICK: Well I met John Ramsey when we were both in the management development program at AT&T together back in 1971 so I went back a long way with him too. And I came to work with him at Access Graphics in '93 and stayed there until '96 and just to make a long story short I ran into some problems with his father-in-law who happens to be Don Paugh whose a figure in this case also being Patsy's father. I didn't really know I was going to be working for Don Paugh when I went there but anyway, they a did some things there that I didn't think were very ethical especially in relationship to me so I complained to Lockheed Martin who owned the company, you know, about the ethical behavior. Evidentially John Ramsey didn't like that very much because after his daughter was killed I found myself being his favorite suspect. I was the only person he mentioned to the police on the day they found his daughter's body. The only one. Of all the people the mans known in his whole life, you know, I'm the one they mentioned.

BOYLES: And the best of my knowledge at the same time, Patsy mentioned the housekeeper, Linda Hoffmann-Pugh.

MERRICK: Yeah, there were four of us, in fact it got really messy because when Ramseys wrote their book they really exploded us. We'd all been interviewed, extensively cleared and everything else. If you recall, prior to the Ramseys book being published, the marketing build up for it was like Ramseys name suspects and remember how everybody was excited to see who they'd really name and it comes out they name me. And I was John's only exclusive, this is when I found out, on the day, it was in his book, on the day he found his daughter, I was the one he mentioned. So it was me and Linda Hoffmann-Pugh and Bill McReynolds, Santa Clause and I think Chris Wolf was the guys name, the other guy

BOYLES: And Mike Glenn, going down a list of people

MERRICK: They didn't name him, we were the original four. Mike was not in that original four used to market the book. I thought it was terrible you know, because that drudged it all up again, people were saying why were these suspects and everything and you know, of course our names had to come up again. So it went from there and I also endured three police interrogations because Ramsey kept insisting that I be interrogated.

BOYLES: Now these were people themselves who would not be interrogated, right?

MERRICK: Ah, oh yeah, I thought this is really strange, you know the police called me like three days after. On New Years Eve I go into the police station and I undergo a really thorough interrogation.

BOYLES: And remember the police only focused on the Ramseys according to their attorney and Mike Tracey and a list of people.

MERRICK: Oh sure, that has been so debunked except by the publicity machine and they seem like they want to be candidates for saint hood. But anyway, I went through that and then I get a call a few days, about a week later that said we want to talk to you again, something new has come up in the case. Well, then I go, I call Norm and I says geeze Norm what's going on here, Norm was a great great confident and advisor through this whole thing which was very very comforting. But anyway he said no, go talk to them again and so I did and it turns up they wanted to talk to me about a dinner that I attended a week before the murder at Pasta Jays. You mentioned Mike Glynn, he was a friend too, a former friend of John Ramseys. Mike was in town for a business meeting and say hey I want to get together with you and some people from Access and you know, get together for dinner. So we go over, we had dinner at Pasta Jays and run into Don Paugh.

BOYLES: What's important here is Pasta Jay ends up chasing Lee Frank around with a gun in his car.

MERRICK: Oh yeah, this thing ties together. John Ramsey owns part of Pasta Jay, the whole thing just goes on and on. Anyway Don Paugh is sitting there at Pasta Jays with an out of town Access employee who use to be quite the (??) so Kathy is with me, me and my wife, and me and Mike and we walk in and stop and chat for a minute with Don Paugh. Mike stays later and Kathy and I go to sit down. A few days later I'm watching John Douglas on Dateline NBC

BOYLES: A guy who never came on our radio show

MERRICK: Yeah and no, this is the super silence of the lambs genius profiler, you know

BOYLES: It ended up we found out he was on the payroll too

MERRICK: Oh yeah, absolutely on the payroll. So he's telling Diane Sawyer or somebody that I think it was a business associate, a former business associate.

BOYLES: Ain't that interesting.

MERRICK: I'm watching this and I'm oh my God, you know, here we go again and it turns out the police wanted to talk to me about that dinner at Pasta Jays. Douglas told them we were there plotting the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. That was his theory.

MERRICK: Oh yeah, right, right, I think they interviewed like hundreds of people literally. And they focused on my three times. This was only my second interview about that.

BOYLES: Jeffrey, I looked it up. Boulder police collected 5,300 phone tips, 4,800 letters, conducted 650 interviews and identified 140 possible suspects by the time the homicide was five years old. They only focused on the Ramseys according to the DA?

MERRICK: Yeah I know, I mean they focused on everybody, they focused on me, my goodness, I mean really, really, did a job. But the interesting thing about this inter, about this dinner and Douglas' involvement in it, It was douglas idea that maybe we did it, somebody told Douglas that we were at that dinner, right? Then I'm thinking, this just came to me a couple days ago, as you mentioned I'm working on this ongoing manuscript for about ten years to just kind of write down my thoughts to have them current but he seemed to tell the Ramseys you know, that we were there. So then the Ransom note comes out and it says she's being held by two people who don't like you very much. And as soon as I heard that I say you're talking about me and Mike Glynn.

BOYLES: Here we go again, your talking exactly right.

MERRICK: It's right there in the ransom note and I'm thinking why is that in the ransom note, what a weird thing to put in there.

BOYLES: Winky, winky,

MERRICK: Yeah, so I'm thinking man, that ransom note, maybe it came from inside the house you know, but anyway somebody had to know these two people who don't like you, don't like John very much, I thought this is really strange because Mike had run into similar stuff at Access Graphics.

BOYLES: The small foreign faction !

MERRICK: Yeah, the, it sounds like everything including the kitchen sink was thrown into that note just to, you know, kind of create wild goose chases.

MERRICK: Yeah. And you look at that and say man, this so one sided. That's the problem with the people with the intruder thing, they are so one sided, I mean I can see where, okay, there's a little bit of evidence that there was an intruder, possibly, that's legitimate but don't discount the mountain of evidence that says that it might possibly be an inside job but that's what they do and then they point their justification on that by saying the police didn't focus on anybody but the Ramseys.

BOYLES: I can give you the numbers here.

MERRICK: I know, you just did it. It's so illogical for the people who believe in the intruder theory. You know John and Patsy Ramsey are very very, and Patsy has unfortunately passed away, but they are very charming people and I think Lin Wood is probably a very good man and Mary Lacy is probably a good person and Smit's a good person but you can't discount the fact that they may have been charmed.

BOYLES: Lou Smit has said things that are so bizarre in his relationship with Tracey. I don't know if you listened online this morning to the show but the relationship now in Tracey's documentary with these two guys appearing holding the blacked out reports naming this Gigax character and these two jokers turn out to be working in, it's called "The Agency" in Colorado Springs who Smit set up.

MERRICK: And then on the third interview Steve calls me up and says we'd like to talk to you one more time and I says what's this about and he says well I don't want to talk about it on the phone and we want you to come in again. So down I go again to the Boulder Police station and sit there and they got their big nine millimeter and I sit there, it's intimidating so I say what is this and by now I've about had it because this is my third interview and the main question Steve says is why does John Ramsey keep throwing your name out there? And I says, "He does?" And they said, "Yep, sure does." And I thought for a minute and I though maybe it's because I told on his halo harking back to the Lockheed Martin stuff where I had my case where these people were not all that ethical in their business practices to support my claim and I believe that's the only reason I can think he kept throwing my name out there because there was no evidence, no motive, I had gone on to a better job.

BOYLES: But if you look at how many people the Ramseys named up to and including Fleet and Priscilla White eventually.

MERRICK: Oh yeah, that was incredible, you know I was at a Christmas party once, this was a company Christmas party and John and Patsy brought Fleet and Priscilla to that party.

BOYLES: Well they ware there at their home before, the night of the death.

MERRICK: Oh yeah, they were very very close. And then I think, according to some of the stuff I read in some of the books and they just turned on the guy mercifully because they had the audacity to suggest that maybe they should co-operate with the police.

EARLY: You know Jeff and I have know each other for so many years but we have also been very good friends through that time and when Jeff's name came up I was just stricken with grief that anybody as fine as Jeff Merrick could be associated in anyway with this thing by having the finger pointed at him and it became clear when the police authorities wanted to talk to him that they were doing everything they could to clear him but when he called me nonetheless and they said they wanted him to take a lie detector test and I said sure tell them you'll take a lie detector test, you'll stand in line right behind John Ramsey.

MERRICK: I did that too. The point was that here you have all these people doing all they could to clear themselves and to give police all the information they needed in order to X them out as a suspect and John wasn't doing that.

MERRICK: You bet and they even came to our house and took handwriting samples from Kathy.

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