1999-04-01: Justice Watch Forum thread, "Jim Marino on the Subic Bay Plaque"
"Jim Marino on the Subic Bay Plaque"
Posted by Starling on Apr-01-99 at 01:40 PM (EST)
Is this "plaque" a small business award or is it a Subic Bay plaque? Was it over the desk or was it found hidden in a basement closet?
If it was found hidden, whose fingerprints are on it - or was it wiped down?
How does Jim Marino know the precise wall where this plaque was hanging? Did John tell him? When did the Ramsey's notice the plaque off of the wall? Why did John Ramsey "laugh" when Marino asked "why would you point to yourself?"
Ah! But if the plaque was found in a closet - doesn't it appear someone removed it - so that investigators wouldn't draw that conclusion?
Where was Mr. Ramsey's desk? Was it in the den? In the same general area where mysterious lights were seen? The same generalized location a flood light was turned off? The same place a blue robe was found? What other evidence came out of this room?
September 25, 1997
RIVERA: All right. Well, rather than just name-calling, I want to ask Jim Marino, before I get to John Soderman and Lisa Rykman, the reporter for Rocky Mountain News up there, what did the cops ask you? First of all, what time did they come to see you?
Mr. MARINO: No, they had me come to the station.
RIVERA: So you went to the station house. What day of the week, do you remember?
Mr. MARINO: I don't remember.
RIVERA: Remember the month?
Mr. MARINO: The--immediately
Mr. MARINO: Yeah, sure.
RIVERA: Was it still in December, then?
Mr. MARINO: Yeah, there was 160 people on a list, apparently.
RIVERA: All right. You came to the station house. How did you feel about doing that?
Mr. MARINO: I was insulted.
RIVERA: What'd they ask you?
Mr. MARINO: If anybody knows Jim Marino from the case and the Ramseys' side especially would know that there--just absolutely no way that I could have been anywhere near the house.
RIVERA: What'd they ask you?
Mr. MARINO: They asked me what I did that evening, where I was, alibis. They taped me for an hour and a half. They pulled hair out of my very few hairs that I have left in my head. They had me write the ransom note. Twice they had me do that.
Mr. MARINO: And I write in block letters, and apparently they wanted me to write it like the letter, and I said, You c--you can make me write this a million times. I can't write it like you guys want me to write it.' And now that I see the--the ransom note, it looks like a child wrote it, quite frankly.
RIVERA: Oh, it looks like a faker wrote it to me.
Mr. MARINO: Yeah, John or Patsy knows how to spell business,' I guarantee you. There's two S's in business.' The--and I saw--said to John--I said, at the end of it, it says--points to SBTC, which apparently is Subic Bay Tr--Training Center. There's a...
RIVERA: Where John was stationed during the Navy.
Mr. MARINO: Right. There's a plaque on his wall. If you sit at his desk, you can see the plaque. So someone sat at this desk and wrote this note, apparently. I asked John--I said, Why would you point to yourself?' And he just laughed, 'cause it's ridiculous. The--the er--all the evidence points to him, so whoever did this wanted the evidence to point to him.
RIVERA: Tell the truth, Jim. Weren't you mad at John Ramsey when the police summoned you? Didn't you believe that he, in a desperate attempt to throw the finger of suspicion in another direction, fingered you?
Mr. MARINO: At first, yes. And in fact, I found out in April, when Patsy did her--her--her own briefing, which was several hours long, she named all of our--us as fra--as friends of the Ramseys as top suspects.
RIVERA: Is it not a fact that the first time you and I spoke, you still felt that John Ramsey was the man who fingered you?
Mr. MARINO: I'm upset at that, but it doesn't mean that I don't have graciousness of the Lord to say I'm sorry. The man helped me out all those years. He's a good man to me.
In another are of this transcript Marino reminds the world he is a "Christian." I'm not passing judgement but this is the same dude who frenquently bar hopped with John.
2 . "And more...."
Posted by Starling on Apr-01-99 at 02:16 PM (EST)
"He said he still talks to JOhn Ramsey several times a week. During an interview on December 2, 1997, Marion replayed a voice-mail message he said John had left the day before. A voice that sounded like Ramsey's said, "Hey, Jim, it's John. It's about five o' clock. Had one of those days." He went on to mention some problem about an airline flight."
Now is it just me or does that sound like a phone call you would make to your friend or your wife?
3 . "More disclosures by Marino"
Posted by Starling on Apr-01-99 at 02:26 PM (EST)
How does Jim Marino know such intimate detailing of John Ramsey's life?
1) John called his children every morning and every evening, no matter where he was.
*Just HOW does Marino know this? Is this info via John or did he witness these calls?*
2) Marino said he had never seen anyone as cool as John Ramsey under pressure. That John was a man who "chose" his words wisely. He never raised his voice on the job or in front of his family.
*Again, to make these assertions, apparently Marino was very close to John to be around him, day and night, at work and in leisure time.
3) They toured nightspots looking for women. Marino found John's sexual interests normal with a capital "N." He says John's "quietness and reserve" were not natural magnents to women at these nightclub, but they were drawn to his Porshe and Gold Credit Cards.
*This is one observative man, I tell ya. Think about that! He tells us, John is driving a Porsche and using gold cards - when everyone else thinks he is in a rusty old pick-up truck. Was it Marino's Porsche? Marino's gold cards? I thought it John still had his rusty old truck when he started dating Patsy?*
4) Marino claims John was always "discreet and a gentlemen" with his "romantic relationships" and that this "GENERALLY RESPECTFUL" attitude toward woman, led John to say "no" to Marino when he wanted to take "clients" to topless bars.
*Later I'll post a transcript from an old Geraldo show where Marino asserts he is a Christian.*
5) Marino says the most John would say about a woman is "She's cute."
*How many times did these two go out together, hanky pankying, where John was in a position to determine if a girl was cute or not? Was all this "going out" together directly related to the break-up of John and Lucinda's marriage?*
6) Marino says John was absolutely "smitten" with Patsy, whom Marino called John's "Jackie Kennedy."
*Remember Pam Paugh's statement about the killer thinking her family was liken unto the Kennedy clan?*
7) Marino says he didn't know Patsy well, but she was gregarious, open and friendly, an obvious social climber. He thought it was important to Patsy to be in the "social register."
4 . "John don't like "sleazes""
Posted by Starling on Apr-01-99 at 02:34 PM (EST)
What a word, Johnboy!
"Marion consulted with John before appearing on some of the talk-shows, like Geraldo, to defend the Ramsey's. John used the term "sleazes" for "entertainment industry." But John told Marino to go on the shows if he wanted to. He quoted John as saying he would speak out when it was time, and that was when the culprit was caught.
Marino said he had been disappointed that few of the Ramseys' other friends had been as vocal in defending them as he has been. He said the Lord had even spoken to him about defending the Ramsey's, recalling how the apostle Peter denied Jesus three times. marion felt he would be doing the same thing if he allowed comments from people like Cyril Wecht to unchallenged." Wechts' book
Does this guy lead two lives or what?
5 . "Marino not real fond of Patsy?"
Posted by Starling on Apr-01-99 at 02:42 PM (EST)
Mr. MARINO: Well, Geraldo--excuse me--I'm--I'm a Christian and I don't believe that we should judge one another. And I knew John Ramsey intimately for 22 years. He came to my rescue twice. Once when I was in a wheelchair and laid up in Florida, he came down to see me and he gave me a job and s--we started a business together. And then 10 years later, when my wife and I were financially
distraught, I called him up and he immediately gave me a job with Access. High School paraplegic--quadra--quadrt where we were supporting a--a Centuris iplegic who needed therapy, and my wife and I had a bake sale, and we raised $ 350 or so. I went in to John, I said, John, would you match these funds?' Without hesitation, he opened up his checkbook and--and wrote a check.
All I'm trying to say to you is that he had a heart. A man that has a heart can't do something like this. What they've been portraying about John Ramsey in the tabloids has been unfair. It's not the man that I've known for 22 years.
RIVERA: Do I--do I note your omission of Patsy by chance or do you omit to include her in your--could not have done this on--intentionally?
Mr. MARINO: I didn't know Patsy as well as--as Jane ha--knew--knew the family.
RIVERA: So you're not including Patsy in your...
Mr. MARINO: That's the Paugh family. I knew the Ramsey family.
6 . "Marino and Ramsey Relationship"
Posted by Starling on Apr-01-99 at 03:01 PM (EST)
Marino says he was laid up in Florida - well John had a boat named "Outrageous" in Miami, registered to his Atlanta home (compliments of Censusgrrl).
What's up with this?
7 . "John and Marino"
Posted by maxi on Apr-01-99 at 03:52 PM (EST)
Marino told Ann Bardach that he had never been inside the Ramseys' Boulder home. He hadn't been invited. John met him in restaurants and such. That seems strange for a family that clearly enjoyed entertaining others.
Does anyone remember the story about John bringing a friend to an office party, and then pretty much ignoring everyone else there? Was that friend Marino?
17 . "Vanity for Starling"
Posted by CensusGrrl on Apr-01-99 at 06:57 PM (EST)
"Although the Ramseys had been Presbyterians, they joined St. John's Episcopal Church. "Social climbing," says Marino sadly; "she wanted to be where the money was." Friends were dropped as well, replaced by attractive, wealthy Boulderites. Marino says, "I was never invited to his house. John and I were `Let's get a beer down at the local pub after work.'"
Patsy also redecorated their vacation home in Charlevoix, on Lake Michigan. "The only time I ever saw John really lose his temper was about Patsy and money," says Marino. "He would throw the credit cards on his desk and say, `She's gonna spend every last penny I make.'"