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John Andrew Ramsey

Barnhill thought he saw John Andrew in Boulder Christmas day
John Andrew and Melinda are being publicly cleared 03/07/1997

JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case
John Andrew Ramsey
Individual Date Reference Key ? Gave Prints Gave Blood Gave Hair Handwriting Got DNA Cleared or Alibi
John Andrew Ramsey
(Victim's Half-Brother)
Sophomore at University of Colorado.

12-25-1996 Afternoon gift exchange: Lucindas

12-25-1996 Evening:
With his mother, and a friend, Harry Smiles at Peachtree Presbyterian Church, Georgia

12-25-1996 8:30 PM JAR to Brad Millard's home in Marietta playing video games

12-25-1996 9:00 P.M. Millard was with John Andrew during the ATM transaction at the QT Store on Roswell Road, in Marietta, GA

12-25-1996 10:30 PM
To movie at Town and Country Movie Theater, Marietta with Brad Millard, and Chris Stanley. After movie, back to Brad's to get car

12-26-1996 1:00 AM JAR at his mother's house
Fraternity house, Chi Psi, 1080 14th Street

Left car parked at friends house
in Boulder
Flew to Atlanta

8:36 AM EST
Flight Atlanta to Minneapolis

Jim Jenkins
Hired 03-06-97

Grand Jury

JAR was an Eagle Scout

Suitcase under basement window belonged to John Andrew
Dr. Suess Book
Sham and Duvet


Airport Assault

John Ramsey
Patsy Ramsey
John Ramsey
June 1998

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ST Pg33,38
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YES --- YES 12-28-1996
ST Page 56
YES 12-28-1996
ST Page 56


Pubic Samples
Didn't match hair found on white blanket covering JonBenet's body
Page 248sb

YES 12-28-1996
ST Page 56
--- Investigated by
Steve Thomas
Ron Gosage
6:00 to 8:00P.M.

JAR Wrote
"I think it was someone that had intimate knowledge of my family and how we lived day to day. Why would they leave the ransom note on the back staircase instead of the front?"

Investigated by
Boulder PD
In Atlanta
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1996-12-30: BPR: Boulder Press Release #5

December 30, 1996
Contact: Leslie Aaholm, Media Relations, 303/441-3090
Pager: 303/441-3851, Pager #4060



The adult children were out of state at the time of the incident.

Boulder Police are extending their investigation at the Ramsey home, 755 15th St. in Boulder. There is a tremendous amount of material to evaluate and it's taking more time than previously expected. The Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) will be assisting in the forensic examination of the evidence.

The CBI will also be handling the analysis of the non-testimonial evidence; the hair, blood and handwriting samples taken from friends and some family members. Samples have been taken from the father and siblings. Some of the analysis may take weeks to complete.

Boulder Police have not detained anyone, nor have they identified any suspects at this time.

Police want to let neighbors know there is no cause for concern. There are police on duty in the area 24 hours a day. Boulder Police have received a number of calls from around the country and if people have information they would like to provide to the police, they can call CRIMESTOPPERS at 441-7867 or long distance to 1-800-444-3776.



March 6, 1997
Contact: Leslie Aaholm/Kelvin McNeill
Media Relations / (303) 441-3090


Various items in the case have been sent to CellMark Diagnostics in Maryland for DNA testing. The items were delivered on Tuesday, Feb. 28. The testing by CellMark could take up to six weeks for results.

Boulder Police are in receipt of a third set of handwriting samples from Ms. Patricia Ramsey. These items were collected by Boulder Police on Friday, Feb. 28. Police had difficulty obtaining satisfactory samples because Ms. Ramsey is reported to have been taking medication since Dec. 26.

Based on the information Boulder Police have to date, police are now able eliminate John Andrew and Melinda Ramsey as a potential suspects. John Andrew and Melinda are being publicly cleared of involvement to relieve them of stress caused by inappropriate speculation.

Boulder Detectives traveled to Roswell, Georgia for the express purpose of collecting conclusive evidence that would allow us to eliminate John Andrew and Melinda from suspicion in this case. Upon arrival, we were informed that John B. Ramsey had retained attorney James Jenkins in Atlanta to represent Lucinda Johnson, Melinda and John Andrew. Mr. Jenkins declined to allow his clients to speak with us. As a result, alternative sources of information had to be developed which delayed our ability to publicly issue this information.

The Boulder Police internal investigation process which was initiated to examine a concern that Detective Sgt. Larry Mason was involved in an unauthorized release of information has been completed. The process has determined this concern to be unfounded.

1997-04-04: Ramsey's son accused in assault

Ramsey's son accused in assault
By Michael O'Keeffe
Rocky Mountain News Staff Writer
April 4, 1997
A photographer working for the National Enquirer told police that he was assaulted by John Ramsey's eldest son at Denver International Airport this week.

Alan E. Butterfield, 33, of Salt Lake City, said he was photographing John Andrew Ramsey Monday in DIA's Concourse B. Ramsey had just arrived on a flight from Atlanta.

Butterfield is a free-lance photographer who said he was on assignment for the supermarket tabloid.

Ramsey, 20, swung his hands at Butterfield and knocked Butterfield's camera from his hands, the photographer said.

The back of the camera was then knocked open and the lens was damaged.

Investigators said last month that John Andrew Ramsey is not a suspect in the death of his stepsister, 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey.

1997-04-30: John Ramsey Interrogation by Steve Thomas, Tom Trujillo

John Ramsey Interrogation by Steve Thomas, Tom Trujillo
Also present, Pat Burke, Bryan Morgan, Pete Hoffstrom, Jon Foster
April 30, 1997 - Boulder, Colorado

ST: What is sometimes done and not done. But weíre dedicated to pursuing the right path and the truth in this thing. And youíre absolutely right, John, in that I have talked, and you know Iíve talked to friends and neighbors and family and associates.

JR: Youíre extremely thorough.

ST: Well, take that as a compliment, but if you didnít do this, Iíll go to bat as I did with John Andrew, I exhausted John Andrew and made sure that there was no way that have could have got a flight between Atlanta in the middle of the night and to the point I checked flight schedules and passenger list. Iíll do the same for you, so Iím not taking it personally, because I donít think itís directed at me as to .

JR: Ah, well, I remember they took me aside, and we sat in John Andrewís room which is the one next to JonBenetís and she went through what I should do when we talked to the caller and I must insist that I talk to JonBenet and that we need until 5 oíclock to raise the money. Iíd actually called my (inaudible) and arranged for the money. Ah, and I think we had by that time started to wonder if one of the housekeepers might be involved. And there was some activity around that direction. We waited until past 11 and then we, and then I think we were in the living room and Linda said why donít you take someone and look through the house and see if thereís anything you notice thatís unusual. And Fleet and I, Fleet was standing there and said heíd go with me. And we went down to the basement, went into the train room, which is, you know, the train set is, and thatís really the only window thatís, would let in entrance into he basement. And actually Iíd gone down there earlier that morning, into that room, and the window was broken, but I didnít see any glass around, so I assumed it was broken last summer. I used that window to get into the house when (inaudible) I didnít have a key. But the window was open, about an eighth of an inch, and just kind latched it. So I went back down with Fleet, we looked around for some glass again, still didnít see any glass. And I told him that I thought that the break came from when I did that last summer and then, then I went from there into the cellar. Pull on the door, it was latched. I reach up and unlatched it, and then I saw the white blanket, (inaudible).

1997-04-30: Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Steve Thomas, Tom Trujillo

Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Steve Thomas, Tom Trujillo
Also present, Pat Burke, Bryan Morgan, Pete Hoffstrom, Jon Foster
April 30, 1997 - Boulder, Colorado

ST: Were you going to finish the Charlevoix packing the morning of the 26th when you got up?
PR: Uh, yeah, I mean, throw in toothbrushes and last minute kind of stuff, you know. Uh
ST: And were the . . .
PR: . . .stuff in the car, you know, packages.
ST: And I came into this investigation a couple of days after the fact um, and I did not spend a great deal of time in the 15th Street home um, but what suitcases specifically were going on the Charlevoix Disney trip. Were they the suitcases that were on the bed in John Andrewís room.
PR: No, we were suppose to come back from the lake before we went to Disney boat trip. So I just had a few little things in a plastic bag as I recall that I was going to take to the lake cause we were only going to be there, I donít know, a couple of days or something. And then I was coming back and then the suitcases were packed to go. We were coming back to here and then going from Denver to Florida so. Now what was your question?
ST: Were the suitcases, were going to leave the 15th Street home and go to Charlevoix Iím assuming
PR: I donít . . .
ST: . . .and stop me if Iím wrong . . .
PR: . . .know if any suitcases were going just this, I had a plastic bag and some shopping bag and some shopping bags with presents and stuff. I mean, we were flying our own plane, so we donít rally, you know, pack real, you can just kind of throw stuff in there, you know.
ST: And did those, did that packing include clothing or do you have clothes at Charlevoix.
PR: Well, I think it included some clothes, because most of the clothes up there are summer shorts and T-shirts and stuff like that, but, you know, but it wasnít a lot and the suitcases wee packed to go to Florida. So, I didnít have any, I wasnít going to take, I donít think I was going to take a suitcase to Charlevoix.

ST: And I have spoken with Linda, and sheís identified this suitcase as belonging to, well not necessarily belonging to, but a suitcase that she has used and that John Andrew has used, and that John Andrew likely had left at your house.
PR: Right.
ST: Do you recognize that blue suitcase?
PR: Yes.
ST: OK. Can you tell me anything about it?
PR: Well, just itís old hard Samsonite or whatever, you know.
ST: And what this something that John Andrew let at the 15th Street home while he went to school at CU?
PR: Yeah, yeah, thatís to my recollection. Yeah, he moved out here with a bunch of stuff and then he left a lot of stuff t our house that he didnít want to take to the dorm.
ST: Do you know where he kept that in your home, or where you last saw that?
PR: No, I donít remember where I last saw it.
PR: He, I donít know.
ST: Where would John Andrew store his other items and affects?
PR: Some of the things are in his room I think, in the closet, and I think he put a bunch of stuff down in the basement. A computer, he had a computer and a printer, and I think that might have been in the basement too. Itís pretty big, I think it was in the basement.
ST: Do you know what room in the basement he would have, his stuff was stored in? Was it in the train room, or theÖ
PR: It wasnít, I donít know now, there was so much stuff down there. I can, it could have been anywhere.


[John Ramsey, June 1998 Interviews]1998-06-23: John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane
(Screen Capture from "CBS 48 Hours Investigates - Searching for a Killer" 10/04/2002)

John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane
Present also were Bryan Morgan, PI David Williams
June 23, 24, 25, 1998 - Boulder, Colorado


June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Keys, Dr. Suess, Garage door openers)

1 MIKE KANE: There's been a lot of (INAUDIBLE)
2 about people who had keys. So I don't want to
3 belabor that point. But you said yesterday that
4 you had a garage door opener. Was one in each car?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: There were three or four.
6 There was one in each car. Well, I take that back.
7 There were three garage openers. The cars we had
8 most recently had those kind of new programs. So
9 whether the garage door opener is in the car or
10 not, I open it in the unit. So there was a
11 separate unit.
12 There was won that we put out under the barbecue
13 grill cover once for a while as just kind of a
14 backup for us getting in the garage.
16 JOHN RAMSEY: It was prior to December '96,
17 but I would say it was in '96 some time. I think
18 my son had a garage door opener in his car.
19 LOU SMIT: By the way, where was John
20 Andrew's car at night?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: He had parked it, I think
22 down near where he lived on the hill. And
23 (INAUDIBLE) parking in the driveway or something
24 like that.
25 LOU SMIT: No one was in charge of (INAUDIBLE)?

1 JOHN RAMSEY: It was just parked.
2 LOU SMIT: Any other garage door opener
3 In his car?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: I believe so.
5 LOU SMIT: Any of his friends have access
6 to his car that you remember?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: Not that I aware of. I
8 wouldn't be surprised if they did. But I don't
9 know anything, no.


19 LOU SMIT: Okay. I would like to
20 talk to you about John Andrew's suitcase.
21 That's a suitcase that you thought might be the
22 one in photograph number 248. This was a
23 suitcase in the train room that you said you
24 moved a little bit.
25 JOHN RAMSEY: Uh-hum.

1 LOU SMIT: And I would like to ask
2 you just some questions. Do you know what a
3 sham is or a duvet?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: (Shaking head).
5 LOU SMIT: Two type of things?
6 JOHN RAMSEY: Sham is a blanket,
7 right? But duvet, I don't know.
8 LOU SMIT: Do you recall any shams
9 or duvets being in your house? I know if you
10 don't know what a duvet is, you probably don't
11 know to say it was in there but --
12 JOHN RAMSEY: No, I don't.
13 A sham, I mean I don't know if I
14 know what a sham was, a small blanket. That's
15 purely a guess, but we had lots of little
16 blankets and stuff like that around.
17 LOU SMIT: How about a Dr. Suess
18 book, do you remember anything in a Dr. Suess
19 book, either associated with John Andrew or
20 associated with JonBenet or anything that --
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we had lots of
22 kids' books. We had bookshelves full of them.
23 I know that they had -- I know I read to 'em,
24 Dr. Suess books, so I am sure they were there.
25 LOU SMIT: Do you know why there

June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Keys, Dr. Suess, Garage door openers)

1 would be a sham and duvet and a Dr. Suess book
2 in that suitcase?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: Could you tell me
4 what a duvet is?
5 LOU SMIT: A duvet is also
6 something that fits on like on a couch or almost
7 a little blanket that fits on a couch.
8 JOHN RAMSEY: A square or does it
9 fit?
10 LOU SMIT: Yes. I have never seen
11 this, I don't have a photograph of it, but can
12 you think of why there would be a sham or duvet
13 in John Andrew's suitcase along with a Dr. Suess
14 book?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: No. My recollection
16 of where that suitcase came from was he brought
17 some clothes from Atlanta, where he went to
18 school, and when the kid left to go to school be
19 and every port in a storm in his apartment, and
20 it ended up and it was in his room for a while,
21 then it was in the laundry room outside of his
22 room for a while, and then I carried it
23 downstairs. I presumed it was empty.
24 LOU SMIT: I appreciate if you
25 wouldn't just talk to John Andrew about that

1 right now. I would like to ask him that.
2 JOHN RAMSEY: You want me to talk
3 to him right now?
4 LOU SMIT: We can talk to him
5 either today or tomorrow, that's fine.
6 VOICE: You said dump truck.
7 VOICE: I would like to talk to him
8 and ask him that question. So there is no
9 misunderstanding.
10 VOICE: We will arrange that.
11 LOU SMIT: So that was just a
12 question I had on that.
13 JOHN RAMSEY: It seems a bit odd,
14 I don't know why it would be -- (INAUDIBLE) --


25 LOU SMIT: All right. This is

1 getting way off of that. Do you know who
2 brought John Andrew to the airport, when he left
3 for Atlanta?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: I think it probably
5 was Melinda and Stuart, who were with him. You
6 mean to come to Minneapolis?
7 LOU SMIT: No, I am talking about
8 Boulder to Atlanta.
9 JOHN RAMSEY: He -- oh, leaving
10 for Christmas?
11 LOU SMIT: Yes, leaving for
12 Christmas.
13 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't. He would
14 either usually take the airporter. He usually
15 took the airporter. But I know he left his car
16 parked I think at friends, driveway kind of
17 thing.
18 LOU SMIT: You don't know the name
19 of the friend?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't, but John
21 would, I am sure.


[Perfect Murder, Perfect Town]1999-02-18: "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, JonBenet and the City of Boulder"
Written by Lawrence Schiller, February 18, 1999

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"Meanwhile, Melinda Ramsey, John's twenty-five-year-old daughter from his first marriage, arrived at the Justice Center. She had been called for a formal interview about her movements over the last few days. An hour later, her brother would be interviewed at the same place.

The Ramseys' attorneys and the police had agreed on this location as neutral territory. The police would have preferred to see them at headquarters, but since John Andrew and Melinda were cooperating without independent counsel, the detectives accepted the Justice Center as a reasonable compromise.

Detective Kim Stewart interviewed Melinda for almost two and a half hours. Detectives Ron Gosage and Steve Thomas questioned her brother from 6:00 to 8:00 P.M.

Twenty-year-old John Andrew was obviously upset, but he was composed enough to explain that he was a student at CU and had been in Boulder until December19. Then he had gone to Atlanta to spend the first part of his vacation with his mother, Lucinda Johnson, and his sister and friends. Then the plan was to continue his vacation with his sister, father, stepmother, and their children. He said his father had arranged to meet him and his sister in Minneapolis at about 10:30 A.M. on December 26, and from there they would all continue to the house in Charlevoix, Michigan.

In the months that followed, the police would confirm that John Andrew, his mother, and her friend Harry Smiles had attended the Peachtree Presbyterian Church in Atlanta on Christmas Eve and that John Andrew had returned to his mother's home at 1:00 A.M.

Melinda, who worked at a hospital in Marietta, Georgia, finished her shift at about 7:00 A.M. on Christmas Day. That afternoon, John Andrew, Harry Smiles, Melinda, and her boyfriend, Stewart Long, exchanged gifts at Lucinda's home in Marietta. In the afternoon they all went across the street to a neighbor's for dinner.

Melinda and Stewart Long left the dinner party about 7:00 P.M., and Melinda started to pack for an early flight the next day. At 9:00 they went to visit Guy Long, Stewart's uncle, and after visiting other friends were home by midnight. At about 8:30 P.M., John Andrew went to his friend Brad Millard's home in Marietta to play video games. After an hour, they left to catch a 10:30 show at the Town and Country Movie Theaters in Marietta with another friend, Chris Stanley.

John Andrew said that after the movie he went back to Brad Millard's house to get his car and arrived back at his mother's house at 1:00 A.M. The next morning he left his mother's house with Melinda, who had come there to pick him up. Together they boarded a flight to Minneapolis at 8:36 A.M. local time. That was forty-four minutes after Patsy called 911 to report that JonBenet was missing."


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"Two and a half months after the Boulder police began investigating John Andrew and Melinda Ramsey, they received the final pieces of evidence that cleared Ramsey's older children of any involvement in JonBenet's murder.

Bryan Morgan wrote to Detective Thomas on March 4 stating that John Andrew had made an ATM transaction at the QT Store on Roswell Road, in Marietta, Georgia, at 9:00 P.M. on December 25. His friend Brad Millard had been present. To support his claim, Morgan enclosed the ATM transaction slip. He also repeated that Melinda had awakened her brother in the early morning hours of December 26, in time for him to stop at a store and still make an 8:30 A.M. flight to Minneapolis. It was impossible for John Andrew to have flown from Atlanta to Boulder, whether by commercial or private aircraft, commit the murder, and return in time to be awakened by his sister in the presence of Brad Millard, who had stayed overnight in John Andrew's room.

Morgan also wrote that John Andrew hadn't been in Charlevoix, Michigan, on either the Memorial Day or the July Fourth 1996 week. The accusation of a onetime police informant that John Andrew had tried to stage an "accidental death" in order to kill JonBenet was clearly preposterous. Morgan again requested an official announcement that John Andrew was no longer a possible suspect.

By now the police had received the test results from John Andrew and Melinda's hair, blood, and handwriting. At the time, the only possible match to evidence found at the crime scene was the pubic hair found on the white blanket in the basement, which held some slight similarities to Melinda's. But her alibi was even tighter than her brother's, and it was not likely that she had used the same blanket when she stayed with the family. The next day the police informed the DA's office that they would make a public statement regarding Ramsey's older children within the week."


[JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation]2000-04-11: ďJonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder InvestigationĒ
by Steve Thomas and Don Davis, April 11, 2000

ST Page 56

"The Ramseys were among dozens of people who would give handwriting exemplars in the case. To keep the comparisons accurate, we had them all write a mock business document, called the London Letter, which incorporates a variety of characters and punctuation. They also, wrote a series of words from the ransom note- Mr. Ramsey, John, withdraw, family, attache, daughter, S.B.T.C., your, delivery, 100%, killing, instructions, countermeasures, $118,000, difficult, authorities, and bank.

While Arndt handled the writing samples, the elder kids of John Ramsey from his first marriage were made available for interviews and evidence samples.

Melinda Ramsey, twenty-two, wore a white pullover and jeans, and her eyes were puffy from weeping. She was attractive and polite when a detective and a sheriff's investigator began questioning her, but by the time the interview was done she was left with her head buried in her arms, crying. They had pressed her hard about the possibility of inappropriate sexual behavior in the family. Melinda vehemently denied that, and in fact revealed nothing of significance, since she was in Atlanta at the time of the murder. She had been caught in a web not of her own making, and the interview left her with a bad taste about dealing with police.

Gosage and I interviewed twenty-year-old John Andrew Ramsey. He was a lanky young man with dark eyes and short dark hair, who wore a checkered shirt, a winter jacket, and an attitude. When the blood tech moved close with her needle, the former Eagle Scout, who was now a third-semester sophomore at the University of Colorado, whispered, "I may pass out."

Although he also claimed to have been in Atlanta when the crime occurred, we had to check him out because of the neighbor who had reported seeing him on Christmas Day. We had to determine who was right.

We asked him to put his thoughts on paper, and he wrote a document that brimmed with feelings about his little stepsister being murdered, giving us a glimpse into his world. He caught our attention immediately by writing, "I think it was someone that had intimate knowledge of my family and how we lived day to day. Why would they leave the ransom note on the back staircase instead of the front?" Good question, I thought. How would a stranger know which stairway Patsy Ramsey would come down that morning?

He ridiculed the idea of a small foreign faction being involved, was certain the crime had nothing to do with his father's company, and questioned why a ransom note was left at all. "Why did they ask for $118,000? I could pay that amount," he wrote. Someone was envious of their wealth and thought of the Ramseys as "rich bastards," he said.

John Andrew told us that whoever did this was probably uneducated, were amateurs at kidnapping, and had seen the movie Ransom, in which the family of Mel Gibson's character was a "spitting image" of his own. He did not believe anyone came in through the broken basement window. They had a key, he surmised.

In one comment, he described his stepmother as "flashy" and guessed that the killer might be someone close to her.

John Andrew also buttressed the comments of the housekeeper's husband, Mervin Pugh, and former nanny Suzanne Savage about the house being difficult to navigate. "You don't know your way around real easy right off the bat. . . . You have to open lots of doors. It has lots of ups and downs," and the basement entrance was hard to find. It was becoming very clear to the police just how difficult it would have been for any stranger to get to that distant basement storage room."


[jameson's Webbsleuths]2001-07-19: Webbsleuths Forum (http://www.webbsleuths.com)
"JAR remembers..."

"JAR remembers..."
Posted by jameson on Jul-19-01 at 02:03 PM (EST)

Quotes from an email from John Andrew - - posted with expressed permission.

M=Melinda, S=Stewart, J=John, P=Patsy

The topic being discussed was John telling Stewart that he found the body at 11.

"After M, S and I arrived in Denver we proceded to the house. As soon as we arrived J and P were in the street, they had just found JB. It was a bad scene. Very quickly S and I got in John Fernies van with my dad. Melinda went with Patsy in I think Fleets car. NO ONE WAS THINKING. We just got in the nearest car and drove. NO THOUGHTS. That is when my dad told us he found JB and she was dead. NO THOUGHTS. We prayed and drove to the Fernies. I would imagine that is when Stewart got his information, I was probably sitting right there but I don't remember.

"...my parents were destroyed. They were not thinking about their own butt, or covering up any crimes. They were just not plainly thinking straight. No one was, or could think."

"I will never be able to explain the feelings and thoughts of that day. From the moment of the phone call with my dad until we arrived in Denver was maddening. We had to get on a plane, that was first. I was constantly scanning the crowd, for what I have no idea. By the time we were on the plane I had come to the realization that JB was dead. A couple of weeks earlier I had watched a Geraldo show about kidnappings, they had the parents on, none of the kids had survived. I knew the chances were not good, I just prayed that she was not in any pain. I don't think you would call it an out of body experience b/c lots of my senses were heightened. I was scared, angry and nervous. However, other functions shut down. I was not rational, I was not thinking ahead, I was not thinking at all. It is survival instincts at their best. Survive in the moment and not worry about the future."

"My point is this. To build a case around the hours following the crime are ridiculus. Behavior can not be accounted for during these times. It would seem much more logical to seek answers in the other fifty plus years of ones life, rather than the moments of one's darkests period."

"I can't answer for Stewart, I can't answer for my Dad. I can only provide some insight to the psyche during such a period of high stress."

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