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[Pam Griffin, Ramsey seamstress]
Pam Griffin, Ramsey Seamstress

Pam Griffin
Ramsey Seamstress

JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case
Pam Griffin - Ramsey Seamstress
Individual Date Reference Key ? Gave Prints Gave Blood Gave Hair Handwriting Got DNA Cleared or Alibi
Pam Griffin
(Longmont, Colorado)
(Ramsey Seamstress)
She was the seamstress who made JonBenet's pageant costumes and Patsy's confidante about beauty pageants.

Pam Griffin was also a former registered nurse.

On 12-27-1996 at Fernie house, Patsy said, "they've killed my baby" to Pam Griffin and then asked, "Couldn't you fix this for me?" and then "We didn't mean for that to happen." Pam couldn't say why, but she remembered feeling as if Patsy knew who killed JonBenet but was afraid to say.

Jeff Shapiro concocted a foreign faction theory called "Guardians of the Revolution" and faxed it to Pam Griffin. Pam faxed it to Nedra Paugh who believed it completely.
Priscilla White left message on Griffin's answering machine to call but Griffin learned about the murder on the 10PM News

Polly Davis called Pam Griffin, said "Patsy needs you right now!"

At Fernie's house, Pam and Kristine found that Patsy was overdosing on Valium

Geraldo Show
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Patsy complainted to Pam about JonBenet's bedwetting and daytime accidents

Pam Griffin recommended photographer, Randy Simons
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Larry Mason
Tape Recorded


[Boulder News Forum]1997-02-01: Boulder News Forum thread, "RAMSEY-SATURDAY-#1 (flammin Perverts)"

FROM: Lori
DATE: Saturday February 01, 1997

Good morning flammers. Shell...in response to your post on the Friday 11:00 thread, I have never claimed to know Patsy or JonBenet. I met the Griffin's at Gingerbread in 1994 and I know some people who have competed with JonBenet, but I have personally never met the Ramsey's. We stopped doing pageants in 1995 when I went back to school to get my BSN and apparently that's about the time that JonBenet started. I have heard gossip about the R.'s since this tragedy and I have to tell that most of it has not been good, but we both know how viscious the rumors can be, especially if your child is a winner. I have been on receiving end of that and I know how bad it hurts.

[Pam and Kristine Griffin]1997-12-21: Legacy of JonBenet - For friends, cops, neighbors, tragedy leaves its scars, life will never be the same
(Photo caption: Patrick Davison/Rocky Mountain News "Kristine Griffin, who was JonBenet's modeling coach, still has nightmares about her young friend, said her mother Pam, right. In her dreams, JonBenet tells Griffin, she saw the shoes of the man who killed her Dec. 26, 1996.")

By Lisa Levitt Ryckman
Rocky Mountain News Staff Writer
December 21, 1997


"Judith Phillips has spent much of the last year wondering why the Ramseys have cut her off without a word, after 14 years of friendship that began when they all lived in Atlanta and continued after they all moved to Boulder.

"It was devastating,'' Phillips said of being told by another friend of the Ramseys that she no longer was considered their friend. "To this day, I still don't know what I did.''

For Pam Griffin, a friend of Patsy Ramsey's who designed many of JonBenet's pageant costumes, it has been a year of proving herself a true and loyal friend -- but not without a cost.

This has taken from me a vulnerability I had hoped never to lose,'' said Griffin, who has often found herself as Patsy's lone defender on television talk shows.

A person who always greeted others with a hug, Griffin now tends to keep her distance; trust takes time.

"Now I just don't feel comfortable around a lot of people, and I always felt comfortable around everybody,'' she said. "I resent the tabloid media taking from me the right to be vulnerable if that's what I choose to do. That was something I hoped to keep all my life.''

The endless video loop of JonBenet in pageants, decked out in elaborate costumes designed by Griffin, has brought her some new clients, although she lost more than $30,000 in business from customers who disapproved of her Geraldo appearances. But despite the seemingly universal criticism of kiddie pageantry, the Colorado pageant circuit is booming -- thanks in part to JonBenet.

"It's bigger than it's ever been,'' said LaDonna Griego, who runs All Star Kids, a popular, family oriented pageant system in Colorado.

When JonBenet competed in All Star Kids' state pageant in April 1996, there were 12 children entered. This year, there were 50. Advertisements that used to elicit 300 phone calls now bring in twice that many.

"I think a lot of people didn't know pageants existed in Colorado,'' Griego said of the days before JonBenet's death. "When people call, I tell them they need to come and experience it before you look down on it or think it's wrong.

"Most people come and see, and I end up with their kids competing in the next one.''

Griego's 10-year-old daughter, Breanne, passed her Little Miss Colorado title along to JonBenet in May 1996, and she still happily competes. But JonBenet's death has shaken her.

"It scared my daughter very much,'' LaDonna Griego said. "Now she's sleeping in our bedroom. She still looks over her shoulder.''

The constant criticism of pageantry has wounded Breanne, mostly because it is something she loves.

"Having people trash it really bothers her,'' LaDonna Griego said. "My daughter has been known to go to the grocery store and hide all the Globes on the back shelf.''

Kristine Griffin, JonBenet's 19-year-old modeling coach, sometime-babysitter and dear friend, still suffers from the loss of her protege.

"This has been way too painful for her,'' said her mother, Pam Griffin. "JonBenet just adored Kristine, and the feeling was completely mutual.''

In recent weeks, Kristine has cried at the mention of JonBenet's name on television and has had vivid nightmares about her.

"I need to tell you what happened,'' JonBenet says to Kristine in her dreams. "I don't know who he is, but I saw his shoes.''

"If there was a way to communicate,'' Kristine said, "she might try to do it with me, just because we were so close, and she looked up to me. And maybe she would feel I would be the one she'd want to talk to.''

On Dec. 26, people who knew and loved JonBenet or simply want justice for her will show up at 7 p.m. in front of the Ramsey's old house in Boulder for a candlelight vigil organized by Judith Phillips.

"I have children who need closure on this,'' said Phillips, whose 10-year-old daughter, Lindsey, played with Burke and JonBenet. "It's been very difficult for her, very confusing, very scary.

Now questions haunt Lindsey, painful, unanswerable ones.

"Mommy, who would have done this terrible thing? What was JonBenet feeling? What's it like to die?'' she asks Phillips.

"Mommy, why would anyone murder a little girl who was so nice and so sweet?''

December 21, 1997"


[Joshua-7 Forum]1998-01-30: Joshua-7 Forum, "Subject: JonBenet Ramsey Case Thread"

Subject: Pam
Name: Nebraskafriend
Time/Date: 16:49:54 1/30/98

Message: is the best friend anyone can ever have. I haven't always been able to defend the Ramseys because I don't know them outside of pageants. When you start attacking Pam that gets my hackles up. You don't have a clue what a wonderful, wonderful person she is.Several points-Who says Patsy is her best customer??????? Pam has been designing for years. Her clothes are beautiful and skillfully made. They are of the highest quality. She designs for people from coast to coast. She has her own original ideas. She also will make what is requested as a seamstress. It is her job and she does it well even if we don't like everything parents order. She doesn't like everyones taste necessarily to make what they've ordered. We've rolled our eyes at what some people want to wear at pageants.

Her daughter did not teach JonBenet or anyone else to wiggle. She taught her classic modeling and form. Kristine is grace and elegance personified on stage. Some of us in pageants hate some of the new styles of modeling for ProAm. It is stupid and shouldn't be promoted. Kristine has been the overall winner at several National pageants. She is intelligent, articulate, beautiful, an incrediable ballet and tap dancer and above all sweet. You assume because JonBenet routine contained wiggles that Kristine taught her to wiggle. It is not true. There are modeling coachs that require you to do everything they say(blah)and there are coaches that allow for individuality. Kristine taught basic modeling and the rest was up to them or their parents wishes.

Pam doesn't like the limelight. She hates being on stage. I don't know why she is in the public eye so much but I.M.H.O. It's because she is a friend to Patsy and believes in her. Pam has stood beside me before and will fight to the end for what she believes in as will I. I wouldn't be on T.V. for the Ramseys because I just don't know them well enough but I sure would for Pam. I get so very angry at the thought of anyone saying she is for the Ramseys cause she got paid. YOU DON'T KNOW PAM!!!!!! She couldn't be bought. She loves and cares about people.

I know I'll get flamed but I don't care. I wouldn't trade a 1000000 fair weather friends for 1 Pam G. She is the very best!!!!!!!

Subject: Sharon
Name: Seashell
Time/Date: 18:12:53 1/30/98

Message: Would you mind sharin' (couldn't resist) with us just what Pam was talking about yesterday with Oprah? For such a shy person, she is allowing a lot of media coverage. Was she defending the Ramseys? Bad mouthing Fleet?

Re: the lawyer thing. I wish I had the URL for this, but it was printed in the regular press that JR called a lawyer friend in Atlanta early that day, supposedly because he didn't know what to do and he was so upset and distressed. Was this the call he allegedly made to shut up the family?

The Bynum story - If he was snowshoeing all day, did he go to the Fernies or the Ramseys? The Rams left at what time? I thought it was after her body had been removed, before midnight. Yet Bynum said he found all those friends standing around her body praying, which we know occurred shortly after it was brought upstairs. So did everyone just stand around praying until Bynum arrived in the evening? Sounds to me like he was there very early on, and NOT SNOWSHOEING. But why would he lie about that? Maybe JR called him on a cell phone and he hurried back to Boulder. He couldn't have found them praying over her body at the Fernie's later that evening because her body was not taken to the Fernies. Altho, if it had been, it wouldn't surprise me. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Colfax did the autopsy.

more Pam - She wasn't shy about how the police lost her initial report. Yes, she's a Ramfan, but I'm not quite sure why yet. Is it really true that she was the one PR tried to contact that day? If so, that's very weird, unless she made a burial costume. Perhaps she threw the beekeeper outfit together for Pats. That must be it. When your little daughter is horribly murdered, you just have to call your pageant dress maker at once. :>)

Subject: Hi Seashell
Name: Sharon
Time/Date: 18:49:24 1/30/98

Message: Pam Griffin was only on Oprah for the briefest minute. Basically, all she said was the quote about how Patsy lawyered up after being asked to write the sentence about JonBenet being beheaded. Oprah quickly countered with a statement to the effect that most mothers would write and write and write all day if that's what it took....there was audience applause and that was the end of anything to do with JonBenet.

All the varied cast and characters in this drama can come off looking devilish or saintly, depending on how you care to look at them. It's actually quite fascinating to think about and makes me wonder how any murder ever gets solved. I'm not going to argue which side of the line Pam Griffin falls on. All I was saying in the post is that Nebraskafriend is apparently the ONLY one of us who has had extensive dealings with Pam and her daughter in real life. From past postings, Nebraskafriend seems like an OK, normal sane person (even if she is in the dreaded pageant scene!). Therefore, I think her opinion should at least be considered valid and she shouldn't have to be concerned about being flamed.

[Patsy Ramsey, June 1998 Interviews]1998-06-23: Patsy Ramsey Interview (Thomas Haney, Trip DeMuth)
(Screen Capture from "CBS 48 Hours - Searching for a Killer" 10/04/2002)

Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Thomas Haney and Trip DeMuth - Present also were Patrick Burke and Ellis Armistead June 23, 24, 25, 1998 - Boulder, Colorado


June 1998 Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Thomas Haney and Trip DeMuth (Pageants or Costumes)

1 TRIP DeMUTH: Did JonBenet have any
2 costume-makers besides Pam Griffin?
4 TRIP DeMUTH: Who would those be?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: Mary Beth.
6 TRIP DeMUTH: Any others?
7 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes, there was one,
8 Emma, was having trouble, you know, finishing
9 some things, so I found a seamstress I believe
10 through a dress -- through a fabric shop, and
11 her, she was in the Federal Complex in kind of
12 the Westminster area.
13 TRIP DeMUTH: And do you recall her
14 name?
15 PATSY RAMSEY: It's on a check
16 somewhere, I could find that out.



June 1998 Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Thomas Haney and Trip DeMuth (Pageants or Costumes)

18 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: I would like to
19 see rest of the pictures from the Whites. I
20 would like to see this so-called report from Pam
21 Griffin, who you quoted from during the
22 interrogation during the last three days. I
23 would like see the report which I believe was
24 transference from somebody elsewhere, my client
25 supposedly called somebody a blonde bitch, which

1 I believe is an outrageous lie.
2 I would like to know more
3 specifically about which doors and windows were
4 not locked and which doors and windows were
5 open. We would like to hear the 911 call,
6 because you have asked enough questions about
7 it, we would like to now hear that.
8 We want to know more about all of
9 the fingerprints that have been taken from the
10 house and the results of that. I would like to
11 know --


[Perfect Murder, Perfect Town]1999-02-18: "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, JonBenet and the City of Boulder"
Written by Lawrence Schiller, February 18, 1999

PMPT Page 25sb

"When Patsy's friend Pam Griffin got home in the early evening after exchanging some Christmas gifts at the Crossroads Mall in Boulder, she found several frantic messages on her answering machine: "I need to talk to you. Call the Ramsey house." The voice sounded like Patsy Ramsey or one of her sisters, Polly or Pam.

Then there was a quieter message, almost a whisper, from Patsy's friend, Priscilla White: "I can't talk to you about it over the phone-please call." Pam called Patsy's house and got her answering machine."


PMPT Page 29sb

"At 10:00 P.M., Pam Griffin was watching the local news when they said something about the body of a little girl being found in a basement. When JonBenet's picture flashed on the TV screen, Pam grabbed her daughter, Kristine, told her guests she'd be back in a while, and drove to Patsy's house.

Pam and Kristine stood behind the yellow tape in the cold clear winter night and waited for Patsy to come outside. As they watched, a tiny black body bag was wheeled out on a stretcher. Pam asked about Patsy. Detective Larry Mason told her the Ramseys weren't there. Pam told Mason she was a friend of Patsy's-that she made beauty-pageant costumes for JonBenet. Mason asked her to come to police headquarters the next morning. Then Pam and Kristine left for their home in Longmont, twenty miles northeast of Boulder. No one had told them where Patsy was."


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"During the winter of 1995 and the first months of 1996, JonBenet had competed in her first pageant, at the Twin Peaks Mall, just twenty minutes from Boulder. The judges ignored her. Not long afterward, Patsy entered JonBenet in the Colorado State All Star pageant in Denver. John, Patsy, Nedra, and Burke were in the audience to cheer her on.

Pam Griffin told the police that when she first spotted JonBenet performing at the All Star pageant, she saw that Patsy didn't know how to apply pageant makeup or style her daughter's hair. When JonBenet presented herself in front of the judges, she mouthed oohs and aahs and rolled her eyes in a very amateurish way. Even so, Pam thought she showed promise. Pam, who was there to watch another six-year-old whose costumes she'd designed, introduced herself to Patsy, and they realized they lived only twenty minutes from each other. Pam suggested that she could make a few alterations to the party dress JonBenet was wearing. Patsy accepted the offer. "Do whatever you need to do to make it look better," she said."


PMPT Page 123sb

"In all, Pam Griffin made half a dozen outfits for JonBenet, some of which cost as much as $600. Several of the outfits were not typical pageant attire but more like theatrical costumes. One day Patsy's mother, Nedra, who occasionally came to Pam's house with Patsy, showed her a photograph of an outfit with marabou and glitter. Nedra said it was just right for "Patsy's doll baby," as she liked to call JonBenet. She thought it would be perfect for the "Anybody from Hollywood" category at the next pageant, where the children could dress as Shirley Temple or Charlie Chaplin or any other star-or, for example, a Las Vegas Ziegfeld Follies showgirl, which Nedra thought would be perfect for JonBenet."

[Presumed Guilty]1999-06-00: Presumed Guilty: An Investigation into the Jon Benet Ramsey Case, the Media, and the Culture of Pornography by Stephen Singular (Author)

PG Page 109

"As time went on after the murder, Randy just became hysterical. It was odd because I'd never heard him cry before about anything. He began calling me late at night and saying that people were going to come out to where he lived and kill him. He had a wild, scary sound in his voice. Then he said something that really stopped me."

"What was that"

He said that he didn't have an alibi for the night of last December 25. 'Why do you need an alibi' I asked him. He wouldn't answer that question. I asked him where he was on Christmas night. He said that he didn't want to talk about it. In the past, he's always wanted to talk about everything."


PG Page 115

"Two days after I spoke with Hunter about Randy Simons, Pam Griffin told me about a photograph Simons had taken of her daughter. It showed Kristine with a kite Simons had made himself. Attached to the kite was a white, nylonlike material bearing some resemblance to the cord that had been tied around JonBenet's wrist. During one of Simons' panicky late-night calls to Griffin, he had asked her if she recognized the material on the girl's wrist."

1999-10-15: Little girl gets lost in public image of beauty princess

Little girl gets lost in public image of beauty princess
By Cindy Brovsky
Denver Post Staff Writer

Oct. 15, 1999 - She is enshrined in the public's memory as a young, precocious blonde, prancing on the stage during child beauty pageants.

But JonBenet Ramsey was really a pretty typical 6-year-old girl, those who knew her say.

She liked kindergarten and was just starting to excel in math. She asked her family's landscaper questions about thorns on roses. She was eager for Santa Claus to visit on Christmas

"I can tell you that JonBenet was highly intelligent,'' Shirley Brady, a former Ramsey nanny, said Thursday. "Mrs. Ramsey taught her how to answer the phone when she was just 22 months old. I called once and she said, "Hello, who is this?' When I told her "Mrs. Brady,' she said in her tiny little voice, "Who is Mrs. Brady?' She remembered when I told her it was Nanny.''

Brady came to work for JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, when they were living in Atlanta in the late 1980s, before they moved to Boulder in 1991. She initially was hired when the couple's son, Burke, was born, and then she helped raise JonBenet until she was 6 months old.

"In the three years I was in that house, there was never an argument, never voices raised,'' Brady said.

That's why Brady, 72, says she never has wavered in her belief that the Ramseys are innocent - even though they have always been suspects in the girl's murder. On Wednesday, Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter announced that, after a year-long review of the case by a grand jury, no one would be charged in the case.

"I'd like to shake every one of the grand jurors' hands because they know this mother and father couldn't have hurt their child,'' Brady said. "Mrs. Ramsey survived cancer. Why would she kill the only little girl she would ever be able to have?''

In Lawrence Schiller's book "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town,'' friends are quoted saying that JonBenet's life was more than her beauty-pageant competitions.

Landscaper Brian Scott told Schiller how the little girl used to follow him around the family's Boulder yard asking numerous questions.

"Do roses know their thorns can hurt?'' she asked him one day.

Scott also remembers how JonBenet started to cry one day when she said she missed her father when he went on trips. But in the next minute, her playful side emerged.

"I saw JonBenet was scooping up the leaves from the top of the barrel and hurling them over her head into the wind,'' Scott recalled.

Barbara Kostanick's daughter attended school with JonBenet.

"I remember the first time I saw them together - they looked so cute playing on the monkey bars,'' she recalled in Schiller's book.

Pam Griffin, a seamstress who made JonBenet's pageant costumes, said the Ramseys had a loving relationship with their daughter.

"And then there was all the love in JonBenet's eyes when she spoke to her father,'' Griffin said. "Everything he said was important to her.''

Those kinds of memories don't surprise Brady. She said the Ramsey family were thoughtful of each other and very loving.

"The public never met the Ramseys, so they jump to these horrible conclusions that just aren't true,'' Brady said. "They were a loving family who never could have hurt each other. I know that is the truth.''

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