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|Caylee Marie Anthony Missing Sunday, June 15, 2008 - Orlando, Florida|
Age: 2, Caylee Anthony was reported missing by her grandmother, Cindy Anthony, on July 15, 2008. At that time Caylee's mother, Casey, said on the July 15, 2008 911 call that her daughter had been missing for "31 days." Date of disappearance is unknown at this point as the mother Casey is not cooperating with authorities
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|CAYLEE ANTHONY CASE TRANSCRIPTS|
Holly Gagne (Friend of Anthony family) on Nancy Grace 07/31/2008
More Casey Anthony Phone Calls and Photos Released
Aired July 31, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
GRACE: Joining us right now is a very special guest. Everyone, we are taking your calls live. Holly Gagne is with us. She`s a friend of the Anthony family. She knows them very well. Holly, thank you for being with us.
HOLLY GAGNE, FRIEND OF ANTHONY FAMILY: Thanks for having me again, Nancy.
GRACE: Holly, I know that the mother -- a lot of people are throwing stones at mother, the grandmother, Cindy Anthony, and a lot of what she has said, frankly, to me doesn`t make any sense. I mean, I know better. I know cadaver dogs do not hit on a pizza box that`s been left in your trunk for a few days. I know that. A lot of it doesn`t make sense.
But on the other hand, when you love your child more than anything in the world, you choose to believe them. And I think that`s the spot Cindy Anthony is in right now. She`s listening to her daughter and trying to make sense of it all. How is the family tonight?
GAGNE: Tired, in a word, very tired, and frustrated, feeling as if, you know, the media`s not on their side. Again, I said -- you know, I stated the other evening there`s no preparation for it, so they`re going from one day to the next. And when they`re sitting in their home alone at night at 2:00 o`clock in the morning, staring into a picture of their granddaughter who`s missing and their daughter, you know, there`s just no way to describe that kind of pain.
GRACE: Holly, have they reasoned out in their minds why the media is jumping on this story, because nothing that their daughter says makes any sense, and hanging in the balance could be the life of a 2-year-old little girl?
GAGNE: Well, I think they believe in their hearts that the media`s giving snippets here and there. You`re seeing a picture of her daughter smiling, and they`re defending that, and so they`re just over it, frankly.
GRACE: To Holly Gagne -- this is a very dear friend of the entire Anthony family joining us tonight.
Holly, I know that the family, not Casey, but rest of the family met with the FBI for about six hours including Cindy Anthony, the whole family. They are cooperating. They are trying.
How did that go for them?
HOLLY GAGNE, FRIEND OF ANTHONY FAMILY, BABYSAT CAYLEE FOR 1 YEAR: When I spoke with Cindy today, she was very encouraged. She said it went very well and she is so happy that the FBI`s involved, because they haven`t really had a positive reaction with the police.
You know I don`t know the ins and out of that but they`ve hit walls, they`ve butted heads, and -- so she is just very happy the FBI`s now involved.
GRACE: Holly, we also have learned from the FBI tonight that there have not been a request from Casey Anthony or her lawyer, Jose Baez, to speak to the FBI. While the lawyer tells us right here on this show that they want to speak to the FBI.
GAGNE: Yes, Nancy. Now I know Jose is speaking for -- for Casey. And so I`m not quite sure why she`s not talking directly to the FBI. I know the night that he was on your show he did go to the courthouse or to the jail to meet with the local police and they did not meet him there.
So as far as the FBI, he may be standing in the way. I`m not sure of that.
GRACE: And also what we have learned, Holly, the local police are stating that in order to speak to Casey Anthony, the only way Baez will allow that to happen -- and this is with Casey Anthony`s OK -- is that they give him the questions, he tells them to Casey, gets an answer to the best he can and then relays that -- to police. He`s not allowing them to sit down with Casey Anthony.
GAGNE: That is what I have also heard but I did not get that directly from Cindy.
GRACE: Why? Why is that? Why won`t she meet with them to help find her daughter?
GAGNE: Nancy -- I could speculate all day long. I could tell you what my opinion is, my neighbor`s opinion. My -- you know my son`s opinion. I don`t know.
GRACE: What is your opinion? You`re a family/friend of the Anthony`s.
GAGNE: I can tell you that I do not think that Casey Anthony took her child with a part of her death, put her in the trunk of her car, and then tried to bury her in her parents` backyard. I can tell you that is not the Casey Anthony that I know as a mother.
I do not know why she is lying. It is making me as crazy as it`s making you and the rest of our community. But I don`t believe the other.
GRACE: Can I ask you -- I know you state that you believe Casey is a good mom. And you saw her with Caylee. You saw them interact.
GRACE: What do you make of the photos? Now some of these are from an earlier birthday party that we have just obtained, but most of these photos are taken a few days after Caylee allegedly goes missing. And mom is out partying at nightclubs.
GAGNE: OK. The answer I`m going to give you is, that makes me think that she knows she`s OK. I don`t -- I just can`t believe that this girl would just have her daughter in the back of her trunk. That`s just sadistic and crazy.
I know it happens, Nancy. I`ve watched your show and I understand that. But to be out in a club partying down with your friends while your child that you`ve loved for almost all of her life is just buried in the backyard or in the trunk, there`s just, in my opinion, and in my heart there`s just no way.
GRACE: You know what, Holly, I pray to God -- I literally pray to God that you are right.
GAGNE: You and me, Nancy, every single night while I tuck my daughter in -- every night.
GRACE: You and me, you know it, event in commercial breaks, I have somebody call home just thinking about what can happen. Take a look at this little girl. This is what it is all about.
The tip line, 800-423-TIPS.
GRACE: Joining us right now, a family friend of the Anthony`s. Holly Gagne is with us, joining us out of Orlando, Florida.
Do you have some insight on to the 31 days that she was gone with Caylee?
GAGNE: I do, Nancy. I wanted to comment on Cindy in the phone call to the police about the 31 days. She wasn`t saying I have given you 31 days. In other words, I`m in on this. She was saying, hey, at the beginning of June, we discussed that you were going to take a month, you were going to kind of, you know, be out on your own.
You`ve been living here, you`re going to go on a vacation. George and I are going to go on a vacation, and that`s what she was saying. Look, I`ve given you a month. You`re telling me you`ve looking for her, so I`m going to take matters in my own hands.
GRACE: And you know what, Holly? I never took it that way, because if you listen on in their conversation, I don`t think they realized they were being recorded. That was between 911, between like the police and the sheriff.
She goes on to say, and if you want to play it like that, I will go and get a court order to -- it goes inaudible.
GRACE: . basically get Caylee away from you. So it doesn`t seem -- never seemed to me like she was in on anything with Casey. I just think, at this juncture, she is struggling so hard to make what Casey is saying make sense, but it doesn`t make sense.
GAGNE: No. And I -- just because the caller had said -- the mother giving an alibi, but, yes, I mean, if you listen to those first couple of phone calls, as a mother, she`s saying, look.
GRACE: Got it.
GAGNE: . I`m going to -- you know, I`m bullying you. I`m going to say, hey, you know, this is -- if you don`t tell me -- and then the next call is, like, OK, listen, and, you know.
GRACE: Yes. I got it. I got it. It makes perfect sense.
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