Internet Subculture and the JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case

Archived Early Postings From Members

of the Geraldo Message Forum

following the JonBenet Ramsey murder case.

February 25, 1997

Suspects

If the police have a DNA sample of the semen found at the murder, why dont they ask what ever suspects there may be(including the family) for a DNA sample?

Kelly Atkins - 08:53am Feb 25, 1997 (#1 of 500)

I don't have any basis for this accusation, but I think the Dad did it.

And another thing! These rich people sure took heed from the OJ trial. They quickly inserted their attorney into the process before the city of Boulder could touch them. This is really going to be interestig.

Nick Husband - 12:02pm Feb 25, 1997 (#2 of 500)

Especially if they didn't do it, Kelly. Makes sense to me..

liz s - 12:15pm Feb 25, 1997 (#3 of 500)

I'm like Kelly.. I don't have any basis for this but I'm looking at "SANTA".

I agree, this is very interesting.. once again I wonder if the regular Joe or Jane would be able to "refuse" to go to police headquarters for an interview.

Nick, if they are innocent why the need for a Public Relations expert so soon?

I think if I were the parent I would be more concerned with finding the killer/s than protecting my image ..

Kelly Atkins - 03:16pm Feb 25, 1997 (#4 of 500)

I agree liz. But Nick, that is not to say you are not right. Maybe they didn't do it but, like liz said, why wouldn't they cooperate to help find their beautiful daughters murderer? Hmmm...

Nick Husband - 07:42am Feb 26, 1997 (#5 of 500)

We'd all like to see her murderer brought to justice, and even if a member of the family did it, which is no sure thing in my book, the others could have no idea who's done it. With all the wrong doing in the OJ trial, and the fact that the labs are now accused of fabricating, omitting, and botching evidence, and now the Co DA has hired Barry Scheck and Doctor Lee,(and some folks thing maybe they were hired so that others wouldn't be able to hire them) I wouldn't cross a T in front of these guys. And any good lawyer would advise them not to. I hope they're innocent... but I don't know. (Sound familiar, Liz??? (Grin)

Vicki Clopton - 07:42am Feb 26, 1997 (#6 of 500)

Someone in that family is afraid of something!! If you're innocent, just give DNA samples and whatever else the police need to eliminate you as a suspect.

Kelly Atkins - 08:36am Feb 26, 1997 (#7 of 500)

YES! YES! YES!

Nick Husband - 11:26am Feb 26, 1997 (#8 of 500)

Talk about a "rush to judgement". We all assumed that they "must have something to hide" because they're not talking to the police. They have the UNALIENABLE RIGHT to do that. It's not supposed to even give a HINT of guilt.. BUT!!!! They're NOT doing that. They WILL speak to the law officers. Together, at some less public and hostile place than downtown Boulder. I just can't fault them for that. You know if the police had them in separate rooms they'd try to do anything they could to get them to incriminate each other. They'd LIE, they'd twist things around. Give them a BREAK!!!! There is nothing, no law, no precedent that says they should or have to talk to the police in a setting that would be to the police departments advantage. We all KNOW that evidence can be manufactured, look in the papers, it's there again today. The FBI had an agent who changed 27 separate things in his testimony to convict a man... AND testified as an expert on subjects he wasn't even familiar with.... just to give the prosecutors what they wanted. Geez..

mercedes martin - 12:24pm Feb 26, 1997 (#9 of 500)

Don't understand the police not finding the little body inside the house after searching it, also how come the father did find it after several hours? Something is NOT RIGHT here!

Kelly Atkins - 12:35pm Feb 26, 1997 (#10 of 500)

No Nick, what I am purporting is the trajedy of our American legal system.

The police can't be trusted anymore, suspects become convicted murders in spite of acquittals, meanwhile, the focus, the people who have been murdered is lost on a society that only cares about themselves. It's ridiculous. The police are supposed to "protect" and have no business trying to put a murder on an innocent person. This has left America to draw their own conclusions with suspicion, accusation and inuendo, bound and determined to "lynch" whomever they "feel" is guilty.

With the OJ Experience, on it's way into history (making it's grand splash into the waters of notoriety and vastly endless speculation for years to come) America has become undone. The system only works for those who stand to best benefit from it at the time. That my friend, is what your so-called "system" has come to.

Democracy? You just keep telling yourself that ok?

Nick Husband - 03:15pm Feb 26, 1997 (#11 of 500)

I DO agree with what you say, Mercedes... Something smells bad and it ain't the sardines...

NOVELVA BROWN1 - 04:43pm Feb 26, 1997 (#12 of 500)

I FIND IT VERY STRANGE THAT THERE WAS A SEARCH IN THAT HOUSE AND THE POLICE DID NOT DISCOVER THIS CHILD, BUT LO AND BEHOLD, THE FATHER WENT RIGHT THERE AND DISCOVERED THIS BEAUTIFUL CHILD, AND CONTAMINATE TO CRIME SCENE, PLEASE DON'T BE DECEIVED. I WOULD PULL OUT ALL STOPS TO FIND OUT WHO COMMITED THIS CRIME, BUT I DON'T SEE THE SUPPORT THAT I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE. IT IS ONLY MY OPINION, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT FATHER CLOSELY.

liz s - 06:10am Feb 27, 1997 (#13 of 500)

NICK, First of all.. one thing the O.J. trial showed me is that your statement "that we would all like to see the murderer brought to justice" is not wholly factual. What about DEFENSE LAWYERS ?? Do they really want the truth to come out even if their client is the murderer ?? I think not.

What about JON BENET's UNALIENABLE right to have lived a full and complete life ??? They are her parents, the ones that supposedly loved her the most, why are they worried about their public personna, why aren't they begging, pleading, demanding that the police interview them so that they ( the police) can even start the search ?

Kevin, you are a police officer, how many parents have you seen when their child is brutally murdered run away from the police ?

I am very worried that once again the VICTIM gets lost in the shuffle and the rich will get away with murder...

Nick Husband - 06:10am Feb 27, 1997 (#14 of 500)

Hey KELLY!!!! What made it MY system all of a sudden?? I'm pretty sure I've been pointing out problems with it all along. And it may be screwed up...scratch that IS screwed up, but it's better than others, and can be fixed. (I HOPE)

Kirstie Scheer - 06:10am Feb 27, 1997 (#15 of 500)

In most cases of sexual abuse, the attacker is the father of the child (followed by step-fathers and mothers' boyfriends). Attempts to cover-up the abuse are often made by lavishing the child with toys, clothing, etc. I'm sure this isn't news to anyone, but it makes me wonder, if JonBenet was sexually abused, why the police haven't zeroed in on Mr. Ramsey. However, I do realize they need more evidence than statistics -- and I'd like to think he is innocent -- BUT, as others have said, too many fishy things have happened.

Catharine Hosegrove - 06:10am Feb 27, 1997 (#16 of 500)

My only concern at this point; with all the publicity, speculation, rumours, etc. and the Geraldo Show from Colorado, how are they going to find an impartial jury when the time comes. I realize it is difficult not to think or talk about, but I think the media in particular should leave this alone. The parents are only adding fuel to the fire with their odd behaviour which just adds to our frustration in getting answers as to who would commit such a crime. The answers will come in time but let's hope any chance of a conviction is not jeopardized.

Barbara Brogli - 06:10am Feb 27, 1997 (#17 of 500)

(303) 341-2819

Dear Geraldo,

Thanks for the great reporting, this is re: JonBonet Ramsey, I am the mother of a missing and murdered child, I can't understand what the are parents doing. The whole case gets stranger by the min. At this point I wouldn't even try to guess who it will be.

I agree with John Walsh and Mark Klaas that they have not done things the way it should be done, if they have nothing to hide why are they avoiding the police?

In our case my youngest son, age 13 left for school at 7:30 AM, he was never seen or heard from again. For almost 18 years we searched, never giving up, on Oct. 2, 1997 we were notified that Jamey's remains had been found in the Clevand Nat.Forest, Southern Calif. His remains had in fact been found six years earlier but had not been identified.

A team of anthropologist took interest in several John & Jane Does, at this time they were able to raise numbers on his braces, he was then identified by our orthodonist.

Unlike the Ramsey case we couldn't get the police to do much, they kept telling us that he was a run-away, he was a great kid, honor student in the MGM (Mentally Gifted Minor) program, popular with peers and adults, and liked by all, we never for a min. thought he had left of his own will.

For all the years my son was missing the police never even questioned any of the serial killers, which there was several, they did very little to try to find him, by their own admission. One point I would like to make is that even run-aways are in danger the second they are on the street, the fact that the police can put these kids in a category of no importance, sad but true.

The police have asked us not to talk to the media until they make an arrest, they think they are close and they are telling us it is someone we know, they have not told us who because the want to use us as witness to identify, this case also may involve many other children, the FBI are working side by side with the Sheriff's Det., they are telling us it is very big, we have waited all this time for answers and now perhaps we will be able to confront the person or persons and ask WHY???

My heart goes out to Ramseys, the pain they must be feeling, to lose a child under circumstances is a nightmare that no one should go through, it turns your life upside down, never to be the same. If they help the police the case might be solved faster.

Of course in the USA if you have money the police work harder, it really is unfair, I do have to say that the Det. who are now on our case are giving it their all, I know that justice will be served in the end.

All of our goals should be to keep the sex offenders and murder's in lock-up, we have to pull together and change laws, we have to go before our leaders and put pressure on our legislative people to wake up, these scum will only get out and kill or rape etc. again.

Thank you for listening, and thanks for all the people you have helped, it' people like you, John Walsh, (whom I met at a Senate hearing many years ago), Mark Klaas and all the other parents who have been victims of horrible crimes have made a diffenence.

Sincerely, Barbara Shazli@aol.com

answers faster,

Nick Husband - 06:12am Feb 27, 1997 (#18 of 500)

I think you're all right... I think it's weird they didn't find her initially. I also think they could tell from HER DNA and the semen at least if she's blood relative to the person. But it really goes against my grain to say I'm suspicious of anyone yet. Although I DID tell LIZ .........something.

Sharon - 07:01am Feb 27, 1997 (#19 of 500)

Barbara, my condolances. I am so sorry for you and your family. I cannot imagine losing my son, much less to a murderer and never knowing: WHO, WHY or WHERE, for 18 years, no less!

I do think Geraldo is doing a wonderful job in Boulder. He feels what all parents feel, and wonder what in the world is going on there.

Nick Husband - 08:55am Feb 27, 1997 (#20 of 500)

Geez Liz. Sounds like you're making up your mind already, even though there's no evidence. Ring a bell??? could that possibly be what happened in the OJ trial?? You found OJ guilty, now the Ramseys... Who's next? (Grin)

Mary Colletti - 01:28pm Feb 27, 1997 (#21 of 500)

When my 15 year old took off from home, we called the police over and over, we called every county sheriff in our state, and the state police in every nearby state. If she were killed (thank God we got her back), I would be LIVING at the police station sitting on the detectives until they made an arrest. Not only are they not down at the station demanding more investigation, the Ramseys are getting the same "preferential treatment OJ got. If the police thought it could posibly be me, they'd have me answer questions hour after hour, day after day until they were satisfied.

Secondly, today (Thursday), the mother's friend said that Jonbenet went to the doctor often due to frequent bladder infections. This is a HUGE red flag to me. She said little girls don't know how to "wipe". Seems to me that if this little girl could be taught all types of dance routines and songs, she could certainly be taught, in one sentence, to wipe from front to back, so I would not buy that theory. Females VERY OFTEN tend to get bladder infections when they (a) have intercourse for the first time or (b) after a long period of abstinence or (c) "rough" intercourse. These are THE most common reason for bladder infections. The urethra Patsy's friend spoke of, is only about an inch long in an adult, smaller in a child, so any irritation in the area very easily pushes bacteria up the uretha into the bladder, causing the infection. As an RN, I am shocked that the pediatrician, if he did indeed see her 30 times for bladder infections, did not suspect sexual abuse.

Nick Husband - 03:11pm Feb 27, 1997 (#22 of 500)

I watched the show, and I thought he checked for abuse?

Debi Peralta - 03:39pm Feb 27, 1997 (#23 of 500)

I really do not want to comment on who I think is guilty of this awful crime. I do have one comment though. If that would have been one of my children, I would have went willingly to the police station the very first time I was asked. I don't think there are many people who wouldn't have? I would be hounding the police every single day (maybe every hour) to see if they have come up with any new leads. Who cares about your image at a time like that?

Nick Husband - 06:41pm Feb 27, 1997 (#24 of 500)

After the OJ circus, they may be worried about their freedom even if they're innocent, Debi. They know from the headlines and their lawyers that you can't trust the FBI lab. I don't know what's going on in their heads, but people making judgements before hearing any evidence against anyone isn't right. (Not that you did!)

liz s - 06:47am Feb 28, 1997 (#25 of 500)

Nick... my friend.. why is it when I express MHO.. I'am "making up my mind with no evidence" and "Passing judgement" and when you express your opinion, which usually is the opposite of mine.. it is just that, your opinion?

At this stage no one KNOWS anything, we ALL are just speculating and and cussing and discussing the crime which surely you and I can agree is horrendous.

Since this is JonBenet's page I'll talk to you about O.J. on his .

Nick Husband - 02:18pm Feb 28, 1997 (#26 of 500)

Quit smacking me!! Someone else pointed out to me by e-mail that the doctor said he knew she wasn't molested on the TV show. He didn't say he examined her. I couldn't remember what he said, but thought he'd said he did examine her. Thanks for the info.

Nick Husband - 02:50pm Feb 28, 1997 (#27 of 500)

Okay, I deserved that, Liz. But it sure seems like alot of people have already decided who's guilty and who's innocent. And you certainly have the right to express any opinion (I'm not giving permission, since I have no right, just stating the obvious.) I think someone's opinion to say in print in public that they think someone else is guilty of a crime is wrong. And sure we disagree Liz, but that doesn't mean it's right to talk about people, by name, and say you think they're guilty... and that's just MY opinion.

Jennifer Parisi - 02:50pm Feb 28, 1997 (#28 of 500)

Mary, in reference to the posting about the bladder infections, boy do I speak from experience. I as a child and all the way through adulthood have suffered from bladder infections. From the age of 3 on, it was a problem for me. First, bladder problems are hereditary. My father and aunts had them and that is how I got them. If anyone in Jon Benet's family had them, there's a 90% chance that it was passed to her. Second, a lot of these infections are caused by lack of vitamin C, which, vitamin c kills the bacteria, most frequently eboli, in the bladder. Not to mention little girls like to take baths instead of showers, so there's another possibility. (When you have bladder problems, youre not supposed to take baths.)

I don't believe for a minute that Jon Benet was sexually abused. My sister-in-law had met the Ramsey's at Elizabeth Ramseys funeral a few years ago. They just don't appear to me as murderers, however, appearances are deceiving. I just dont get why they wont talk to the cops.....

Sharon - 04:40pm Mar 1, 1997 (#29 of 500)

Why has Patricia Ramsey hired ANOTHER lawyer?? Anybody know? I don't believe she did this awful thing....maybe she wants a divorce?

Chuck Twombly - 08:35pm Mar 1, 1997 (#30 of 500)

In understanding why someone will not talk to the police, it is clear to me that they do not trust the police. They have been known to stretch the truth and be creative with evidence. Besides, the Ramsey's have no obligation to talk to the police. After all, the burden of proof is not on them, but the state to prove that they even have a case to try. The real crime here is trying the case in the court of public opinion instead of the courts. It seems the a few folks have already convicted Mr. Ramsey including Mr. Rivera from what I have seen so far.

J.L. Gray - 07:46am Mar 2, 1997 (#31 of 500)

I agree with you, Mary. Constant bladder infections in a six year old would send up a red flag for me, too!

J.L. Gray - 07:56am Mar 2, 1997 (#32 of 500)

Jennifer, I too suffered with bladder infections in the first few years of marriage, and never had any of my doctors ask if there was a family history of them. Until reading your post I didn't know they were hereditary.

Debi Spark - 10:37am Mar 2, 1997 (#33 of 500)

It was reported by Dr. Cyril Wecht, after seeing the autopsy pictures from the Globe, that JonBenet had on a white sweater. Did her parents put her to bed Christmas night? If so, why was she wearing a sweater? If they did not put her to bed, when was the last time her parents saw her alive. Don't they have an alarm system in that big, expensive house. Sounds like an inside job to me...

Anne Phillips - 09:30am Mar 3, 1997 (#34 of 500)

Trust No One

I totally agree with Mary-message 22- about the number of Dr.'s visits. Something is not right, What is this new news about "Santa" having a daughter raped or something?

Jennifer Parisi - 10:29am Mar 3, 1997 (#35 of 500)

Well, no red flags for me just because she went to the doctor several times for that. I too, was at the doctor, literally 2-3 times a month. I had to go to urologists and have frequent hospital testing due to my bladder problems. I was never sexually abused either. Like I said in my previous posting there are quite a few medical reasons, other than sexual abuse for bladder infections. Like I said, I speak from experience.

J.L. Gray - 04:45pm Mar 3, 1997 (#36 of 500)

She was wearing a sweater??????? How's that?

corry's kat - 11:08pm Mar 3, 1997 (#37 of 500)

.....the dad did it....

Nick Husband - 02:24am Mar 4, 1997 (#38 of 500)

I think you might wanna talk to your minister, Corry's kat.. you might learn something that way.

J.L. Gray - 06:05am Mar 4, 1997 (#39 of 500)

Who saw the story about "Santa's" wife? Makes me start to rethink my original suspicions. Guess you are right, Nick, about jumping too quick on the "father did it" theory.

Trisha Curnew - 07:19am Mar 4, 1997 (#40 of 500)

This is all very strange to me. If it were my child who was brutally murdered as JonBenet was, I would co-operate to the fullest extent! I like many others would help in any way, shape, or form to find the killer! I do believe that it was JonBenet's father!(My opinion)I believe that he molested her!(again, my opinion)and I think that the police should bring him in for questioning or check his semen. If I was a father who's child was murdered, I would give them anything to prove that it was not me. Unless, I had something to hide!

liz s - 07:20am Mar 4, 1997 (#41 of 500)

Nick, In scrolling back I don't see where anyone says with certainty who did it , we are only talking about our SUSPICIONS. It's a DISCUSSION about SUSPECTS.

Like Jennifer says.. she doesn't think they are quilty but she doesn't understand their actions.. neither do I.

No rush to JUDGMENT here....just an OPINION...

Wanna start a page on SHEEP CLONING and see if we agree on that ???

Nancy Barczykowski - 07:20am Mar 4, 1997 (#42 of 500)

Regarding Jon Benet's murderer - I think it's probably her father or step-brother. From what I understand, John Jr.'s alibi is being re-investigated (was supposed to be with his Mother) - why?? Was he with his maternal mother or was he at the house? If the father did it, I can't fathom Jon Benet's mother supporting him - unless we don't know all of the story - which of course, we don't. If he did it, why is she protecting him? Unless she also is involved!

I feel this case is being handled in an excellent fashion by the police and the D.A. I understand they will not make an arrest until they have ALL the evidence, etc. - they are really being careful not to make ANY errors! That is great. That poor little girl deserves justice to the ultimate. I hope the death penalty is enforced for whoever did it and whoever was involved as accessories! - NO DEALS CUT!

Nick Husband - 07:21am Mar 4, 1997 (#43 of 500)

We know now, Sharon. It was just announced by the family that John Ramsey is the prime suspect. It still doesn't mean he did it, but would explain separate lawyers. A real conflict of interest, if somehow Mrs. Ramsey was accused of knowing.

Anne Phillips - 07:28am Mar 4, 1997 (#44 of 500)

Trust No One

I totally agree with Mary-message 22-about her response to JonBenet having visited the Dr. 30 times in the last three years and all those vaginal infections. I have taught Montessori school, currently teach (sub) in grades k-8 and have a fourteen year old daughter. I do not believe this poor child had a "normal" series of infections from not wiping properly either, and a "red flag" went up for me as well when I watched the show from Boulder. This to me was a BIG story.

Anne Phillips - 07:40am Mar 4, 1997 (#45 of 500)

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First,in response to J.L.'s sweather question. The GLOBE 's illegal photos showed JonBenet's wrists bound with white cord over the cuffs of a white sweater. The GLOBE's expert said this is done(not binding bare skin)when one doesn't want to leave bruises which people can seei.e.sex "games." Next, I am new to this conversation, and did not think I could ever agree with Nick. However,after hearing more on the news this A.M. about Sant'a daughter being raped(I'm not sure if she was also killed) and his wife's award-winning play about a young girl,raped,murdered and found in a basement I'm not so sure it was dear old Dad.

Jennifer Parisi - 12:52pm Mar 4, 1997 (#46 of 500)

ANNE!! Read my post already!! Just because she had bladder infections doesn't mean a damn thing. I've lived through what Jon Benet did medically, and no one was molesting me. 9 times out of 10, it has nothing to do with "wiping correctly". There are several other medical contributing factors.

J.L. Gray - 07:34am Mar 5, 1997 (#47 of 500)

Me too, Anne. That seemed way too much of a coincidence to me. Even my husband turned to me with his jaw dropping when we were listening about the play and the fact the daughter was kidnapped. I didn't know JonBenet was found wearing a sweater. It really makes me wonder if she made it to bed that evening at all.

Nick Husband - 07:36am Mar 5, 1997 (#48 of 500)

Sorry Liz, but I think you're still wrong. Thinking something, and saying it in print are two different things. I don't think anyone has enough evidence to state in writing "I believe he did it!!" (oops OR "she") I think it's irresponsible to do that. These pages are public forums, and as such anyone can read them. I believe we owe it to the innocent people (whoever they are) NOT to do that. It's just my opinion and you don't have to live by it, but I have to. I don't think that makes me more or less moral than the next person, it's just what I believe.

Joe Bettencourt - 07:36am Mar 5, 1997 (#49 of 500)

Whether or not the father is the culprit, it is my hunch that he either has knowledge/suspicion regarding the perpetrator. The investigation is becoming quite complicated and drawn-out, but lets not lose sight of the obvious suspects--John Ramsey, step-son, and dear 'ol Santa. I don't know much about the overnight guest (Santa), but had I known about this piece of the puzzle, I would be very interested to know more about how he fits into the family, and where he was the night of the murder. Via hear-say, I understand he was a guest at their home the evening of her demise--is this true? As far as the step-son is concerned, he was my very first supect, but like Santa, we heard very little about him early on. I am happy to hear that Boulder investigators are taking a closer look at his alibi. And, as I have mentioned above, I have always considered the father. However, without corroborating evidence/past history it's hard to have strong suspicion about any of the three suspect. I think most would agree that these three suspects are at the top of the list. I want to know what each of their past involvement was with JonBenet--it appears conclusive (pathology reports), that there is evidence she has been molested in the past. Now, the question is, who has been around her frequently and knows the family well? All three suspects, I presume. Despite our (the public) slight confusion, I believe that Boulder authorities know who is responsible; we can only be 90% certain that it will be one of the three suspects I have mentioned.. The investigators are simply tying up all the loose ends and developing a legal arsenal that cannot be overcome with money (e.g. Simpson case). The one loose end that will definitively sinch-up the case is the DNA results which are expected back in 4-6wks.

Nick Husband - 08:53am Mar 5, 1997 (#50 of 500)

This is REALLY getting strange. Santa's daughter on the same date 22 years ago?? (shudder) I don't know the answers at all, but the whole thing is disgusting. A little girl's life taken for no reason, and all the strange things surrounding her life. I hope above all else that they find the guilty person and that that person pays the highest price the law allows.

Matthew Crutchman - 07:03pm Mar 5, 1997 (#51 of 500)

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Nick Husband - 09:52pm Mar 5, 1997 (#52 of 500)

Hi Matthew, it works, jump right in.

Damon Lewis - 01:05am Mar 6, 1997 (#53 of 500)

I am just wondering if the reason that the media has really took a big step back in this case, is because the recent bomb shell about Santa Clause. In the beginning, the media embraced this gentleman, and now his checkered past has undoubtedly made him a very likely suspect. I haven't heard a lot about this case since this information was relased. Does the media feel dooped?

Nick Husband - 06:08am Mar 6, 1997 (#54 of 500)

I think maybe some in the media have egg all over their faces, since the Santa interview, Damon. There seems to be alot of doubt now on who dunnit. There wasn't a couple of days ago. Many people were already building the gallows in their minds to hang John Ramsey. Now one interview happens and all of a sudden nobody is "SURE" that he did it. They weren't SURE before the interview, THAT is when they should have shut up and let justice take it's course. This board is a small microcosm of society. There's egg on some faces here too. Is it possible John Ramsey did it?? Sure, It's possible. Is it possible that "Santa" or someone near him did it?? THAT is possible too. But folks in the media and on here made up their minds and some put it to print before all the evidence was in. Freedom of Speech is such a wonderful thing.

Anne Phillips - 08:19am Mar 6, 1997 (#55 of 500)

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Hi to you Matthew. Please feel free to share any thoughts or news about Ramsey case. I live on East Coast. Do we have any Boulder connections on line? Also, does anyone know when Geraldo is going to do an update show? Thanks.

Michael Rigas - 08:02pm Mar 6, 1997 (#56 of 500)

E = mc^2

Anne--I live in Greeley, Colorado -- about 30 miles north of Boulder.

Anne Phillips - 11:46pm Mar 6, 1997 (#57 of 500)

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Michael, I was just wondering if people out there think Dad is gulity? Today the half-brother was cleared by police. So it's going to have to be Dad, unless the strange Santa is the guilty one. And I think they would have picked him up already if he were the one.

Michael Rigas - 03:50am Mar 7, 1997 (#58 of 500)

E = mc^2

Originally, I thought that Dad was guilty, and still do. However, I am WILLING TO ADMIT, contrary to anti-Simpsons, that my thoughts MAY BE in err. The reason I ORIGINALLY thought that dad was guilty was because there are TOO MANY FLAGS pointing in his direction. To tell the truth, this is the FIRST that I've heard of Santa and John Jr. I didn't even know they existed. Now that I know they DO exist, I THINK that John Jr. did it.

Nick Husband - 08:06am Mar 7, 1997 (#59 of 500)

You might need to admit to another error, Michael. Boulder City PD and DA have said he's no longer a suspect. (His alibi for that time is real, he was in the air, enroute to the winter holiday home that the Ramsey's own.)

Anne Phillips - 10:04am Mar 11, 1997 (#60 of 500)

Trust No One

Today the Rocky Mountain News reports there were no footprints in the snow surrounding Ramsey house the morning the police arrived. This is why an "insider" has been suspected all along.

Nick Husband - 10:16am Mar 11, 1997 (#61 of 500)

That makes sense Anne. But didn't they have alot of people in and out of their home?

Karen Salmond - 04:29pm Mar 11, 1997 (#62 of 500)

I think someone in this "microcosm" would have a hard time compiling a shopping list, let alone a "list of suspects" !

Nick Husband - 07:52pm Mar 11, 1997 (#63 of 500)

Keep trying Karen. It'll get easier if you practice every day!!!

Nick Husband - 04:12am Mar 13, 1997 (#64 of 500)

It's still possible that one of the reasons it's taking this long is because the samples don't fit any of the people we've been talking about. I don't know, but it seems to me that they should have the DNA results back by now.

Michael Rigas - 04:13am Mar 13, 1997 (#65 of 500)

E = mc^2

Well, what I think and, understand, this is ONLY what I think....I am NOT necessarily correct, DNA evidence will not support this case if the DNA is the DNA of John Sr. Why???????? Because John Jr. will also have that SAME DNA. For that reason, unless John SR. AND John Jr. are cleared by DNA, we will NEVER know who the murderer was and due to the injustice served to/by the OJ case, we can rest assured that we will be TOLD who is guilty. And rest assured, that that person will not be NECESSARILY guilty. They'll only be the person that we're TOLD to MAKE guilty due to FAULTY evidence. And why????? Because it's POLITICALLY correct.

Michael Rigas - 04:13am Mar 13, 1997 (#66 of 500)

E = mc^2

Why do I believe John Jr. is a more likely suspect??? Because "HALF-brother" is more likely to play "sex games" with "HALF-sister" than "FULL father" is to play "sex games" with "FULL daughter".

Nick Husband - 09:44am Mar 13, 1997 (#67 of 500)

Since he has a different mother Michael, wouldn't that make some difference in the DNA???

Kathaleen Ray - 02:24pm Mar 14, 1997 (#68 of 500)

Father and Son would NOT have same DNA. It has nothing to do with being a relative. Remember in Simpson case?? the HUGE figures the DNA lab. came out with, LABS come out with those kind of figures all the time, which would discount siblings and parent / child.

corry's kat - 05:01pm Mar 14, 1997 (#69 of 500)

...hey, know-it-all nick...aka ramsey sympathizer...heh, heh...daddy raped his little girl and accidently killed her, then got mom to help in the cover-up...period...we all know it...we all feel it...

Rita - 05:03pm Mar 14, 1997 (#70 of 500)

Isn't DNA matching the same as fingerprints? So, therefore it wouldn't matter who is half, whole or who is the mother. Unless there is a trial and the defense hoodwinks everybody like the dream team did, and says that the semen sample was "tainted" and can't be useful. But, I do think daddy is the culprit, who's to say what a person might do after "accidentally" killing someone, to protect himself and his money, she was already dead . . . and that ransom note written on a note pad from the home - kinda iffy. Surely, the ransom note would be the first thing a kidnapper would do before even touching the child unless maybe it was daddy. And the odd amount of money requested . . . Theories, Theories.

Nick Husband - 05:03pm Mar 14, 1997 (#71 of 500)

I saw them Kathaleen but have read since then that many of those figures were inaccurate. And even some of the "perfect results" of DNA tests are actually up to interpretation by the experts, with differing results. I'm trying to read more about it. It was presented as almost an exact science.

Nick Husband - 06:08pm Mar 14, 1997 (#72 of 500)

I think your mom is calling you Corry. You're supposed to be in bed by 8:30.

Believe it or not Rita, there seems to be two sides to one of those "coins" too. Some of John Ramsey's aquaintances knew the amount of his bonus the year before, supposedly including someone who had it in for him. Stranger and stranger.

Nick Husband - 08:52am Mar 15, 1997 (#73 of 500)

My post about the snow never showed up, so.... I agree Anne. The thing about no footprints in the snow is really what I think is one of the best clues so far. The only thing I've seen to dispute it is that it can snow at one house, and a block away there be no snow. And that doesn't seem to be a good arguement, because there WAS snow, just no prints.

Anne Phillips - 08:41am Mar 17, 1997 (#74 of 500)

Trust No One

Nick, now you're being silly. Of course it snowed on all the houses. We're talking Boulder. And while I'm at it how much did Patsy know-if anything. Why all the handwriting samples? Did she write the note? We already know the paper used in the ransom note was found coming from a pad located inside the Ramsey house.

Nick Husband - 09:30am Mar 17, 1997 (#75 of 500)

Uh Anne.... I got the thing about the snow from a representative of the Boulder PD/DA office on a show. HE said it. I'm just repeating it. He said it can "snow at one house, and a house across the street have no snow." Wipe the egg off your face, and keep going. heh heh

Nancy B. - 01:00pm Mar 17, 1997 (#76 of 500)

Had to be inside "job" - reports state that there were no footprints outside - making them believe whoever killed JonBenet did not leave the house.

Nancy B. - 01:03pm Mar 17, 1997 (#77 of 500)

Sorry - have to clarify: Reports have it there were no footprints IN THE SNOW - thus making authorities believe whoever killed her never left the house.

Nick Husband - 02:26pm Mar 17, 1997 (#78 of 500)

MORE clarification, they haven't stated what they believe, just the fact that it did snow.... and there were no prints in the snow.

Anne Phillips - 03:13pm Mar 17, 1997 (#79 of 500)

Trust No One

Nick-so sorry. Ha. Anyway I posted last Friday, and it shows up today March 17. I think the Sysops were out again--this time celibrating St.Patrick's Day.

Nancy B. - 04:38pm Mar 17, 1997 (#80 of 500)

Geez Nick you really have it "in" for me! "MORE clarification" - Don't get nasty or jump to conclusions - my "clarification" was of MYSELF - nothing more - I was trying to clarify in #78 what posted in #77 by me - NO ONE or nothing else!! AND what I posted in #77 came from the Denver Post not from me! Also, I tried posting a theory previous to #77 but so far hasn't shown up yet - I'll wait and see tomorrow. And please don't correct me if that's what you're doing - I know what I'm posting! Posting that hasn't shown up is a theory that mom might of done the killing......and the theory comes from putting together news reports from the Denver Post.

Nick Husband - 05:42pm Mar 17, 1997 (#81 of 500)

NASTY???? NASTY???? Unbelieveable... Geez... Is what I said not true?? I don't even see an impolite word, let alone a NASTY word...

Nancy B. - 07:34am Mar 18, 1997 (#82 of 500)

For those of you who think daddy did it - I agree, however, consider the theory that dear ol' mom did it and daddy may have helped cover up! Reason: Recently I have read that mom's UNREHERSED writing samples (taken from one of the houses) may match or have the same consistency as the handwriting in the ransom note - some of the letters in the words)! Mom would probably know about dad's bonus$$. Also, it's been reported that the ransom letter had 'purposely' mispelled words, etc. to deliberately throw everyone of base &/or point the finger elsewhere away from mom & dad - thus Santa. JonBenet's body was moved from her bedroom (supposed murder site) to the basement - thus - again making Santa a suspect/scapegoat - because of his and wife's story of their daughter being murdered, sexually molested and found in the basement - same scenerio by moving the body!! Also, they say she WAS sexually molested - BUT have found no semen on the floor or on the body (have not said if semen was found 'in' the body, though) - If mom is the sicko that killed JonBenet (who taught her all the sexual movements she learned, etc)- maybe dad now knows or did know & is trying to cover up OR maybe they were both involved in this tragedy!????? What do you think????

Nick Husband - 07:34am Mar 18, 1997 (#83 of 500)

Let's see if I've got this right Nancy.... You can post what you like, but you want to tie my hands?? How can I have it in for you when I don't KNOW you?? I just didn't want it to seem as though the police had said publicly that they believe it was an inside job, or that the killer never left the house. They didn't. To date the only thing I believe they've given a conclusion on is that the half brother and half sister both have good alibis... Are you trying to say that we should take anything you write on here as fact, and not question it?? I sure hope not, cause it ain't happening. Any more than what I say is proof of anything.

Nick Husband - 06:58am Mar 19, 1997 (#84 of 500)

Your last post is exactly the reason the police aren't releasing information, Nancy. The things you list as facts have not been released by the police or the DA in this case. I don't know where you're getting your "facts" from. Such as the child's bedroom being the actual "murder site". I'd really like to see what publication has that kind of "information". Could you give us the name of the News Paper, or Web Site that has any information that Mrs. Ramsey's writing matches the ransom note? I'd like to see that too.

Nancy B. - 06:58am Mar 19, 1997 (#85 of 500)

Nick, Nick, no I'm not trying to 'tie your hands' geez! What I posted (#78-came from the Boulder and Denver newspapers & CNN reports; & I was ONLY trying to clarify MYSELF in #78 - again, from what I read in the two newspapers & CNN! Therefore, NO, I'm not trying to say that what I post is fact! Soooorrrry!! It sure looks like we really misunderstand each other - and of course, everyone has the right to question anyone! But to reiterate, I was NOT stating 'fact' - only what the Denver and Boulder newspapers & CNN reported! Now please don't take posting #83 as a 'fact' from me - if you read it correctly - it's a theory that a few of us (not here) have been discussing! Sorry, Nick, but you had it(me) wrong (again).Yep, half brother and sister are not suspects as per reports.

Nick Husband - 06:58am Mar 19, 1997 (#86 of 500)

Shame on you Nancy!!!!!!! You got angry with me because of my response to your posts about abortion, and come in here and try to act as though you have a problem with the way I've treated Brian and Trisha!! Trisha and I have worked out our problems and I did have a legitimate complaint. I have explained what transpired between Brian and I. Neither is for your approval, since neither is any of your business, and neither has anything to do with the subject of this forum. Say what you want, and so will I. Again your standards seem to wander from post to post.

Nancy B. - 06:53pm Mar 20, 1997 (#87 of 500)

Nick, what I posted about the footprints were not "fact" - where was it that you say I said "fact??" I said "reports" and "theories." Besides CNN, Boulder and Denver Newspapers - there is also the Rocky Mountain Post - they also REPORTED the same REPORTS! The THEORIES mentioned were discussions amongst a few colleagues at work - just theories being discussed - nothing more - certainly not fact!!! The theory was being discussed because of reports from the Denver Post (#81) To reiterate - none of my postings here used the word "fact" only "reports" and "theories."

Nancy B. - 07:23am Mar 25, 1997 (#88 of 500)

Nick, this site is for discussion on JBR suspects - not abortions! As far as my standards wandering - that is YOUR interpretation of what you read - Of course you can say what you want - and so can I! Please stop attacking every word I post! I'm sure we'll agree on some issue at some point in time. "Neither is for my approval... & ...isn't any of my business"????? I've had a lapse in memory - and just don't understand that statement. Please explain. Was I expressing an opinion and you disagreed?

Nick Husband - 07:23am Mar 25, 1997 (#89 of 500)

"Thus making authorities believe whoever killed her never left the house". Sorry, but authorities never said that. Sure sounds like someone quoting authorities to me!!!! Instead it's someone else saying what THEY think authorities are thinking, then it being stated as a fact.

Karen Salmond - 09:20am Mar 25, 1997 (#90 of 500)

Nancy, I just wondered HOW long I would have to stay out of the forum before Nick would POUNCE on someone else, my prediction was right on the money, thanks for taking the "heat" for awhile........

Nancy B. - 10:55am Mar 25, 1997 (#91 of 500)

You are welcome Karen! Now --- how about some help??

Nick Husband - 11:03am Mar 25, 1997 (#92 of 500)

Don't lower yourself Nancy. You're way above her level.

Nancy B. - 11:08am Mar 25, 1997 (#93 of 500)

Nick, regarding your response #90 - "Thus making authorities......" THAT'S HOW IT WAS STATED IN ONE OF THE NEWSPAPERS! They used the word "authorities" not I! Who are you to say "authorities never said that." Have you read EVERY SINGLE piece of information, reports, whatever YOU want to call it - that has been written in the United States on this case???? Every newspaper, every magazine, every website for starters??? I DON'T THINK SO!!!! Chill Nick - you might develop an ulcer! Picky, Picky - remember these forums are JUST DISCUSSIONS! This time, I don't think YOUR fence is straight!!!!

Nancy B. - 11:26am Mar 25, 1997 (#94 of 500)

Thanks for the compliment, Nick (I think) - you're pretty good yourself!

Bill Parker - 11:47am Mar 25, 1997 (#95 of 500)

Nick doesn't know how to be anything but an arrogant ass.

Nick Husband - 11:48am Mar 25, 1997 (#96 of 500)

Hahaha I thought you've been doing pretty good, WAY above HER level, Nancy. Don't lower yourself.

Nancy B. - 11:48am Mar 25, 1997 (#97 of 500)

What makes you think you are THE AUTHORITY on this case, Nick? Other people read, watch tv shows that have views and discuss this case and exchange views. I'm waiting for you to backup your statement regarding, "authorities never said that." Exactly, how do YOU KNOW that??? Now, as you would say,- are YOU trying to say that we should take anything you post as fact and not question it? I DON'T THINK SO....!

Nancy B. - 11:49am Mar 25, 1997 (#98 of 500)

Nick, regarding Patsy's unrehearsed handwriting sample - it was stated, and I'm not giving a direct quote - that certain characteristics of her handwriting - certain loops, certain letters, matched that of the ransom note - NOT her handwriting matched that of the ransom note - Again, you either misinterpreted or read my post erroneously.

Nick Husband - 12:21pm Mar 25, 1997 (#99 of 500)

I read the very report I think you're talking about Nancy, and they said further in the story that that's their OPINION of what the authorities must be thinking. They never said that the authorities said that. I think it was the Boulder Newspaper, but it could have been the AP...

Nick Husband - 06:51am Mar 26, 1997 (#100 of 500)

Good! You're going back to the only thing you can do right Bill. I'm arrogant, and you're a smart ass. It's only because that's where your HEAD is!!!

Nancy B. - 06:51am Mar 26, 1997 (#101 of 500)

Okay, Nick, truce. I'm not sure what paper I read that. As you know, there have been so many articles in various newspapers, web sites, talk shows - could of been anywhere.

Carol Miller - 09:44am Mar 26, 1997 (#102 of 500)

Hey Nick, Calling someone a "twerp" do you consider that a personal attack?

Carol Miller - 07:35am Mar 27, 1997 (#103 of 500)

Typical Nick, you can call people names, express you never do and then come back with some smart remark. Practice what you preach. You got caught and now don't want to own up to it.

Karen Salmond - 09:52am Mar 27, 1997 (#104 of 500)

This has turned into the FORUM FROM HELL......I'm not going to dignify his name-calling with a response, however read on.....

Karen Salmond - 10:30am Mar 27, 1997 (#105 of 500)

I believe myself an articulate individual and I defend my views, I do not feel the need to ATTACK others points of view, to make myself look good.

Karen Salmond - 12:41pm Mar 27, 1997 (#106 of 500)

You have always been the pot calling the kettle black, no way intent to speak up on your behalf. I don't agree with your views most of the time. In your feeble attempt to debate issues, all you DO in the end is call names.......what does that do for the subject matter?

Nick Husband - 12:42pm Mar 27, 1997 (#107 of 500)

Uh Karen? What about #63? #91? AND #16 under JonBenet Murder, the first post between us? BACK IN YOUR FACE!!! For SHAME!!!!

Nick Husband - 01:39pm Mar 27, 1997 (#108 of 500)

What part of the issue WAS #16? Oh, It's okay if it's DONE to me, just not if I DO it. You don't make the rules. Jimi is right about SOME of you.

Karen Salmond - 02:53pm Mar 27, 1997 (#109 of 500)

You just have to have the last word on EVERYTHING, no matter who is voicing their opinion at the time............

Karen Salmond - 10:12pm Mar 27, 1997 (#110 of 500)

Never in this lifetime, Nick. My real "meaty" comments have not yet surfaced for your enjoyment......

Karen Salmond - 09:40am Mar 28, 1997 (#111 of 500)

I am well aware of your critiquing skills, Nick & I'm relatively sure most people aren't singin' your praises. However, I did find one, who says your posts make her think about the subj matter. Guess 1 in 11 ain't bad. I particularly liked gordo's response, Carol's, Nancy's, and Bill Parker. It is not just ME, who has a problem with you....by the way you don't print front page material, bubba.

Nick Husband - 11:37am Mar 28, 1997 (#112 of 500)

Ohhh.. So I'm supposed to post to make people happy, not the truth? You're wrong. Rita AND Ann both said I didn't post too much. DUH!

Nick Husband - 11:51am Mar 28, 1997 (#113 of 500)

You got #97 wrong. You got THIS wrong. #97 in the other, that wasn't about you, got you mad and brought you in HERE. Hahahahahaha

Nick Husband - 11:55am Mar 28, 1997 (#114 of 500)

Oscar Mayer no longer has the corner on B O L O G N A! Heh heh

Bill Parker - 12:44pm Mar 28, 1997 (#115 of 500)

Karen:

It's impossible to debate someone who is brain dead or in a trance. I think Nick just likes to see his name everywhere he looks.

Nick Husband - 12:50pm Mar 28, 1997 (#116 of 500)

You're half wrong Bill. You said you THINK. At least tell the truth.

Nick Husband - 12:52pm Mar 28, 1997 (#117 of 500)

The other half is your opinion, and you're welcome to it. It's higher than the opinion I have of you.

Nick Husband - 12:57pm Mar 28, 1997 (#118 of 500)

Tactical error Bill cause they're not here right now to help you. Hahahaha

Bill Parker - 01:01pm Mar 28, 1997 (#119 of 500)

Don't need any help for an idiot Nick.

Nick Husband - 01:03pm Mar 28, 1997 (#120 of 500)

You need help just to BREATHE, Bill.

Nick Husband - 01:04pm Mar 28, 1997 (#121 of 500)

Again, my opinion of you is even lower so thanks!

Bill Parker - 01:05pm Mar 28, 1997 (#122 of 500)

You need help badly BOY.

Nick Husband - 01:05pm Mar 28, 1997 (#123 of 500)

Your best shot? Hahahaha

Nick Husband - 01:06pm Mar 28, 1997 (#124 of 500)

I didn't expect better, it's okay.

Nick Husband - 01:07pm Mar 28, 1997 (#125 of 500)

Oooooohhhhh TOUGH!! Hahahaha

Nick Husband - 01:27pm Mar 28, 1997 (#126 of 500)

Is this ever going to get back to the Ramsey forum?

Bill Parker - 01:34pm Mar 28, 1997 (#127 of 500)

I apologize to everyone else for having to read through this mess. It is the wrong place for it. Would prefer to do it in person.

Nick Husband - 01:45pm Mar 28, 1997 (#128 of 500)

Hahahaha Do WHAT in person Bill? Get TOUGH?? Hahahaha Is that what BOY meant? Hahahaha

Nick Husband - 01:48pm Mar 28, 1997 (#129 of 500)

Bill always jumps in when he sees someone arguing with me, check that too.

Nancy B. - 01:57pm Mar 28, 1997 (#130 of 500)

Any news on suspects??? Standing in line at the market, "Globe's" front page headlines said something to the effect that John Ramsey whisked his wife away.....because the police want to arrest Janet.....she was supposed to be desperately in a competition with JonBenet. Now don't all get excited.... I don't buy the Globe or any other tabloids.....and I don't necessarily believe the tabloids either.....just trying to get back on the subject of this board...is all! Everyone have a good day....

Nick Husband - 03:02pm Mar 28, 1997 (#131 of 500)

I couldn't find a web site for them Nancy.. Sorry.

Nancy B. - 03:46pm Mar 28, 1997 (#132 of 500)

Thanks for trying, Nick.

Nick Husband - 10:41pm Mar 30, 1997 (#133 of 500)

Check the posts Jams Sorry

Nick Husband - 07:35am Mar 31, 1997 (#134 of 500)

No problem Nancy. It just seemed to me you were stating it as a fact, when I hadn't seen it printed that way. Way too much media in this thing anyway.

Nick Husband - 07:47am Mar 31, 1997 (#135 of 500)

I haven't seen that Nancy. I'll see if I can access it on my computer. Glad we can get back to the subject. Thanks!!

Zvetlana - 07:52am Mar 31, 1997 (#136 of 500)

Why don't you guys just stop this stuff? Some of us were in hopes that we had found a place where the case was seriously discussed and even debated, but without the constant snipes, fights and downright maliciousness that caused us to lose interest in the last forum we participated in. There was a time when many of us looked forward to the time we spent on the forum and then it went downhill, finally reaching the point where serious posters have given up and left it to the childs play. It began its decent in the same way that you guys have been taking up all the room with your disagreements and personal attacks and defenses. Please help us maintain one Ramsey Case Discussion Forum that remains a pleasant place to visit and exchange ideas.

wendy melillo - 08:16am Mar 31, 1997 (#137 of 500)

Hi all This is the suspects forum right? Has anyone compiled a current list of suspects? I was wondering how many were left now that Jar has been taken off the list. Off the top of my head I can think oF: JR, PR, GPP, Burke (not likely but still there), the housekeeper, the handyman, Santa, Fleet White, a former Access Graphics Employee, a neighbor, a college friend of JAR. Any others? My own personal pick is the housekeeper/handyman.

wendy melillo - 08:16am Mar 31, 1997 (#137 of 500)

Hi all This is the suspects forum right? Has anyone compiled a current list of suspects? I was wondering how many were left now that Jar has been taken off the list. Off the top of my head I can think oF: JR, PR, GPP, Burke (not likely but still there), the housekeeper, the handyman, Santa, Fleet White, a former Access Graphics Employee, a neighbor, a college friend of JAR. Any others? My own personal pick is the housekeeper/handyman.

Nancy B. - 10:58am Mar 31, 1997 (#138 of 500)

Hi Wendy - glad you joined us. I haven't read anything about the housekeeper/handyman. Who is he/she? Is this person also a suspect? Was this person supposedly in the house xmas eve and day? (P.S. Welcome to the forum)

Bill Parker - 01:11pm Mar 31, 1997 (#139 of 500)

Welcome All:

Its nice to have new views and ideas here.

Karen Salmond - 01:46pm Mar 31, 1997 (#140 of 500)

Well said, Zvet!

Sheryl Mc - 11:40am Apr 2, 1997 (#141 of 500)

hello, boy how nice a forum without all the sickos' or if their here they don't get to exhibit their wierdness.

I was thinking about hunters statement. something about the fact that if they go to court they don't want the ramseys having the dna thrown out due to no opportunity to view it. seems like they are basically saying the ramseys are still prime suspects.

Carol Sterlace - 12:08pm Apr 2, 1997 (#142 of 500)

I applaud you, Zvetlana. However, how can one discuss their views if they are constantly being attacked and snide remarks are always present? This is a Forum for general discussion and personal views. Not everyone agrees with everything another states, but, no need to attack!!

Celeste Clarke - 04:52pm Apr 2, 1997 (#143 of 500)

I have tried to post before and didn't seem to show, here goes..... I would be interested in knowing at what age did Patsy Ramsey start entering beauty contests.....also would like to know how the family interacted. I've heard bits & pieces and that they were very affluent but don't know anything else. Does anyone have any further info?

Nick Husband - 06:07pm Apr 2, 1997 (#144 of 500)

JonBenet's babysitter says they interacted wonderfully, and that JonBenet was a normal kid her age. She actually enjoyed sitting her.

Longhorn - 09:46pm Apr 2, 1997 (#145 of 500)

Nick, her babysitter was also a former child pagent contestant and JonBenet's coach, not exactly impartial. It is her mother who is the only "friend" that is talking about the family. I would like to know more about Fleet White, since he was with JR when JonBenet was found. I am amazed that nothing is ever said about him, since that is a criticl element of this case.

Nick Husband - 10:56pm Apr 2, 1997 (#146 of 500)

You lost me there Longhorn. The teenaged babysitter isn't impartial because she was a contestant in pageants? I thought she sounded reasonably intelligent, truthful, and really sad about what had happened. I also would like to find out more about Fleet White.

Karen Salmond - 07:38am Apr 3, 1997 (#147 of 500)

I would like to know more about John and Patsy's childhood.

Longhorn - 09:41am Apr 3, 1997 (#148 of 500)

Nick, the babysitter only sat for her 3 times. She herself was a fomer child pagent contestant, and coached JonBenet for all of her pagents. That's why I think she cannot be impartial---she has a lot invested in pagents being a "good" happy thing. She would natuarally say JonBenet was a happy shild, I would like to hear from teachers and other outsiders, that's all

Nick Husband - 09:59am Apr 3, 1997 (#149 of 500)

That makes sense, Longhorn, but didn't her pediatrician say good things about her attitude and that he saw no signs of abuse too? I'm not talking physical signs.

Longhorn - 04:03pm Apr 3, 1997 (#150 of 500)

the peditrican said that, but I would feel better if he said he saw no signs of abuse, rather than there was no abuse---those are two separate things. I think he also felt a lot of pressure, for if it turns out she was abused(and I'm not saying that she was)he would ethically be in trouble for not reporting such

Nick Husband - 04:21pm Apr 3, 1997 (#151 of 500)

Couldn't the bruising that's been talked about have been from her treatment for the infections? And maybe he honestly didn't see any signs too. I doubt if he'd get in any trouble if he really didn't see any signs or says he didn't, since it is only possible to see the signs they're talking about with a microscope. That's what I read anyway.

Fon Lin - 06:22pm Apr 3, 1997 (#152 of 500)

I'd feel more positive if the doctor said he was looking for signs of abuse on such and such occasions and stated whether he saw or not.

Fon-Lin

Nick Husband - 05:36am Apr 4, 1997 (#153 of 500)

But if everything else about her didn't make him suspect it, and even the "evidence" that she had been is so microscopic, would it have done any good?

Jayceee - 07:09am Apr 4, 1997 (#154 of 500)

I always think that with some of these "Elite" families that many things go unnoticed or un-looked for...do you think they might notice more bruising if say, they were 18 or 19 year old crack smokers that were unemployeed with this beautiful child that happened to require doctoring 30 times in 24months.....hummmmmm

wendy melillo - 07:29am Apr 4, 1997 (#155 of 500)

Hi

Thanks for the welcome.

The housekeeper and her husband (handyman) are on my list of suspects, and I believe still on the bpd's list. They had a key to the house, knew the layout of the house (even the room in the basement), and were privy to personal family information. She had asked Patsy for a loan shortly before xmas and was turned down. Last summer she asked Patsy if she ever feared her children being kidnapped (odd). After seeing their photos on the web I felt that they looked the part as well. They may also have been jealous of the ramsey's wealth. Just a thought. If you would like to check out the photos got to: http://members.aol.com/epas04/index.htm.

jams jameson - 07:29am Apr 4, 1997 (#156 of 500)

It started out as fact - JonBenet had been sexually assaulted.

The rumors of incest started. The Ramseys said not so. The Ga. Dept of Family and Children said they never had any abuse complaints against the Ramseys in that state. Friends and neighbors who knew them said the idea was "ludicrous".

The editor of the Star remarked that this was an unusual story - trying to dig up mud on the family was nearly impossible. He said "Everyone we've talked to....even rivals in the beauty pageants....There's no one saying anything bad about them in any way, shape, or form." Rocky Mt. News 1/15

Cyril Wecht says there was abuse - during AND PRIOR TO her death. Dr. Beuf says NO. Dr. Robert Kirchner says the incomplete autopsy is not definitive.

The Ramseys say the BPD has evidence there was no prior abuse. Boulder officials refuse to comment on anything they may or may not know.

At this point tabloids are reporting the story as follows - JR did it and PR is such a wimp she is covering for him. Poor Patsy - Monster JR.

March 15th comes and we know JR did not write the ransom note. 3/18 the family voluntarily releases medical records and a tape of Burke with the DSS psychiatrist. (They are duly criticized for exposing Burke - another discussion later.)

3/26 - RMN - RAMSEY SLAYING MAY NOT BE LINKED TO SEX - - Noting the lack of words like vaginal distention or penetration, the lack of abnormalities of the upper vagina or cervix, Dr. Richie, the Jefferson County coronor says the autopsy "in no way suggests sexual assault".

So now what - move that spotlight off JR.... a little to the right - ahh - Patsy -- focus!

I think I hear a train coming.......

Shame

maxi - 04:00pm Apr 4, 1997 (#157 of 500)

I know John Andrew is suppose to be in the clear, but what if, on some stupid college boy night, he and a friend came up with a perfect way to get money from John Ramsey. They would fake a kidnapping of JonBenet and, after collecting the money, tell the folks to look in the basement (where JonBenet would be found alive). The friend would do the actual deed while John Andrew was in Atlanta so no suspicion would attach to him. Suppose the friend was a little wacko and either got carried away at the scene or was careless with the duct tape. (There have actually been warnings to children not to put duct tape over their mouths and noses because of recent deaths.) The people you hang out with in college are not really known to you like hometown friends and college age is a common time for mental problems to surface. John Andrew may feel implicated or may not even remember the original conversation more than vaguely if stoned enough.

jams jameson - 05:10pm Apr 4, 1997 (#158 of 500)

Would they feel confident that no one would search the house before they collected the ransom?

Nick Husband - 07:28pm Apr 4, 1997 (#159 of 500)

I dunno, I think electronics are so advanced, and college kids would know. Way to high a chance of getting busted on that one. Doesn't sound all that feasible to me. Possible, but way down on the list.

JayneLisa Clarke - 10:02am Apr 6, 1997 (#160 of 500)

Nick,

There is no way bruising on her arms could be attributed to the treatment for her yeast infections.

JayneLisa Clarke - 10:03am Apr 6, 1997 (#161 of 500)

Nick,

I would like to invite you to join the forum provided by the Boulder News. There is a vacancy there that you would fill nicely.

Nick Husband - 10:30am Apr 6, 1997 (#162 of 500)

Those bruises have nothing to do with sexual abuse and the forensic scientist from Penn hasn't seen JonBenet OR the entire autopsy

JayneLisa Clarke - 10:32am Apr 6, 1997 (#163 of 500)

Nick,

You were the one that implied the bruises were due to her yeast infection which was undoubtedly caused by sexual abuse. I find it ridiculous to try and excuse the bruises she received backstage in the pageants to the sexual abuse.

JayneLisa Clarke - 10:32am Apr 6, 1997 (#164 of 500)

Nick,

jameson has told me that you are Nora Charles from the Ramsey Board. Is that true?

Nick Husband - 10:35am Apr 6, 1997 (#165 of 500)

No I'm not I've never posted there

JayneLisa Clarke - 10:39am Apr 6, 1997 (#166 of 500)

jameson does have a reputation of being a psychopathic liar so I will take you at your word Nick.

What field are you in?

Nick Husband - 10:40am Apr 6, 1997 (#167 of 500)

From your posts YOU seem more unbalanced than he does Just my "mad" opinion

JayneLisa Clarke - 10:41am Apr 6, 1997 (#168 of 500)

Nick, You should join the group at the Ramsey Forum

http://www.bouldernews.com:80/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?Ramsey

JayneLisa Clarke - 10:43am Apr 6, 1997 (#169 of 500)

Nick,

Has jameson ever described the preschool physical examination that was performed on his daughter before she started school?

I should add, jameson homeschools his children.

Nick Husband - 10:43am Apr 6, 1997 (#170 of 500)

I am not interested in posting there I've watched how "nice" you can be over there

JayneLisa Clarke - 11:17am Apr 6, 1997 (#171 of 500)

jameson,

I would appreciate a chance to visit your IRC channel again. Is this possible?

JayneLisa Clarke - 11:46am Apr 6, 1997 (#172 of 500)

jameson,

How can I harm you in your channel on IRC?

JayneLisa Clarke - 11:48am Apr 6, 1997 (#173 of 500)

jameson,

Has the information concerning your home and property been posted here yet?

Nick Husband - 11:52am Apr 6, 1997 (#174 of 500)

Just because it's legal to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do, Jayne. But then this is YOU.

JayneLisa Clarke - 11:54am Apr 6, 1997 (#175 of 500)

I would be wary of emailing jameson, Nick.

Nick Husband - 11:57am Apr 6, 1997 (#176 of 500)

YOU sound so far out there not him

JayneLisa Clarke - 11:58am Apr 6, 1997 (#177 of 500)

Nick,

I have been reading more of your posts and have decided you are in fact just another one of jameson's clones.

Nick Husband - 11:58am Apr 6, 1997 (#178 of 500)

Anytime Jams

JayneLisa Clarke - 12:03pm Apr 6, 1997 (#179 of 500)

It is evident Nick Husband and jameson are the same person.

Nick Husband - 12:05pm Apr 6, 1997 (#180 of 500)

hahahaha Paranoid Jayne First I was Nora now I'm Jameson Boo I'm over here no Over there

Nick Husband - 12:14pm Apr 6, 1997 (#181 of 500)

Sure Jams There's nothing on the other board saying you are being investigated by anyone, just THEM ADMITTING they were

JayneLisa Clarke - 12:22pm Apr 6, 1997 (#182 of 500)

jameson,

What was said in the phone call your wife received?

Nick Husband - 12:22pm Apr 6, 1997 (#183 of 500)

I know I read it all over there Jams Nothing they said was true except that they had been investigated and what they'd been caught doing wasn't illegal it's just WRONG

Dminor Hacker - 07:10pm Apr 6, 1997 (#184 of 500)

Nick,

You just don't have the b***s to post on the Boulder Forum.

JayneLisa Clarke - 07:15pm Apr 6, 1997 (#185 of 500)

Hello Dminor,

It is refreshing and gratifying to see you here.

Nick Husband - 10:20pm Apr 6, 1997 (#186 of 500)

Why you interested in my testicles, DMinus?

Nick Husband - 10:20pm Apr 6, 1997 (#186 of 500)

Why you interested in my testicles, DMinus?

JayneLisa Clarke - 10:48am Apr 7, 1997 (#187 of 500)

Do I know you kayjanda?

Maryland Man - 11:04am Apr 7, 1997 (#188 of 500)

MY posts do not seem to be showing up?

Jameson sir, are you out there?

Maryland Man - 11:05am Apr 7, 1997 (#189 of 500)

Hello Boulder Forum Friends,

I do not believe that "Teacher" lives in California. She has said several times she has a sountern accent.

Maryland Man - 11:20am Apr 7, 1997 (#190 of 500)

jameson,

Jayne just Telnets into an account that is on an ISP in California.

Her correct last name is Christensen.

Maryland Man - 11:20am Apr 7, 1997 (#191 of 500)

jameson,

Take a few minutes and read up on UNIX today.

Dminor Hacker - 11:44am Apr 7, 1997 (#192 of 500)

kayjanda,

I think you are onto something.

What is the approximate age of the Jayne in your library?

Dminor Hacker - 12:19pm Apr 7, 1997 (#193 of 500)

I received email from LizzieB.

Tee Hee!

Marybeth Grant - 12:53pm Apr 7, 1997 (#194 of 500)

There seem to be many messages missing, it's hard to understand what is going on?

Marybeth Grant - 12:57pm Apr 7, 1997 (#195 of 500)

again one of my messages didn't show up. I was saying you can believe me or not jameson about Frank doing that to you. he had no idea how serious it would be taken. I sure enjoyed chatting with you girls but life goes on.

kayjanda - 01:07pm Apr 7, 1997 (#196 of 500)

jams: the kayjanda persona will soon disappear -- so do the work and let me know what you find at hotmail. dianne: glad you appreciate the skills of others -- i like your posts, etc. at bn. will probably see you there again sometime. can i e-mail you? i don't do that without permission....

Karen Salmond - 01:45pm Apr 7, 1997 (#197 of 500)

Why does anyone want to "track" anyone else? This is for comments RE: JonBenet?????

Dianne E. - 01:48pm Apr 7, 1997 (#198 of 500)

Karen,

jameson will eventually track you down.

Dianne E. - 01:52pm Apr 7, 1997 (#199 of 500)

You only delete the posts because if anyone were to see what you are saying they would despise you jameson.

Nick Husband - 01:54pm Apr 7, 1997 (#200 of 500)

If you get email or anything Karen, pointing to Jams, just make sure it's not THAT crowd. THEY have the reputation. Read the Boulder posts. They even admit it over there.

jams jameson - 01:55pm Apr 7, 1997 (#201 of 500)

No Dianne, while I may wish to say something to you, I would hate to see this place trashed like you left the BN forum. The delete option is wonderful.

JayneLisa Clarke - 01:56pm Apr 7, 1997 (#202 of 500)

jameson,

If you further pursue me I will be forced to take legal action against you.

Nick Husband - 01:57pm Apr 7, 1997 (#203 of 500)

Hahahahaha Jams and the rest of us were here first He's following you from in front? Hahahahaha

JayneLisa Clarke - 01:58pm Apr 7, 1997 (#204 of 500)

Dianne E.,

I am shocked to see you part of jameson's irc clone group and intent on "tracking" me down.

I must agree it is quite cowardly of jameson to goad other posters and then immediately delete his posts. jameson has over and over shown his lack of intelligence and manners.

jams jameson - 01:59pm Apr 7, 1997 (#205 of 500)

ME!!!

Nick Husband - 01:59pm Apr 7, 1997 (#206 of 500)

Naaaaaa He's just let you guys point out YOURS

jams jameson - 02:01pm Apr 7, 1997 (#207 of 500)

NEWS ON THE CASE!!! The investigators are in NC looking at the kidnapper of the 2 yr old last month. Seems there are some similarities. And there was a broken window at the Ramsey house. Turn on the news!!!

Dianne E. - 02:10pm Apr 7, 1997 (#208 of 500)

You are lying jameson.

Michael Rigas - 04:03pm Apr 7, 1997 (#209 of 500)

E = mc^2

You people crack me up....Why don't you take it back to IRC and UNIX?

Nick Husband - 04:22pm Apr 7, 1997 (#210 of 500)

Oh yeah, Lord knows YOU wouldn't lie, huh Dianne? How about the forum about Jameson "approaching" Nancy? And insinuating something bad by saying COLady wouldn't like it? The VICTIM, NANCY says it's a LIE. SWAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

READER - 05:26pm Apr 7, 1997 (#211 of 500)

gee I never realized Diane was such a lady. Is it sissy boy using her nick??? Or is she really waggin one.

F. B. Eye - 05:45pm Apr 7, 1997 (#212 of 500)

Testing Testing 1 2 3

Karen Salmond - 07:07pm Apr 7, 1997 (#213 of 500)

Is "suspects" getting bizarre or what?

Nick Husband - 07:43pm Apr 7, 1997 (#214 of 500)

You know it, Karen Geez Where's the arrest these clowns said was gonna happen today?

kew - 07:54pm Apr 7, 1997 (#215 of 500)

beach

Syncrhonisity in Boulder: - cease weekly news conference - log jam BoulderNews Forum - Sway public opinion towards the: 'bed (or car seat) wetting' murder theory ... it's over

jams jameson - 07:58pm Apr 7, 1997 (#216 of 500)

The NC suspect is named John Brewer Eustace. He is 32 years old and recently kidnapped a 2 yr old child from her bed in Charlotte, NC. He is possibly linked to killings of 4 other 6 and 7 yr old girls taken from their beds.

maxi - 08:33pm Apr 7, 1997 (#217 of 500)

Jameson - can't find any mention of John Brewer Eustace on Drudge Report, newswire, or Charlotte Observer sites. Where can I get info? --maxi

peon - 08:36pm Apr 7, 1997 (#218 of 500)

Jameson, whatever happened about that two yr. old. I never heard a word here in the news. Is she alive???

jams jameson - 08:52pm Apr 7, 1997 (#219 of 500)

He took the 2 yr old from her bed and to his room in a house he shared with 3 other people. They heard the child cry and he made some story for having her. She was released, just dropped off, after 4 days. He actually flagged down a cop to turn himself in. His story is on front page of Charlotte Observer 4/4.

jams jameson - 08:54pm Apr 7, 1997 (#220 of 500)

The NC child is named Elizabeth Bradshaw. The news of Boulder coming to check him out was on the NBC news.

jams jameson - 08:58pm Apr 7, 1997 (#221 of 500)

The news also tells us there WAS a broken window. That is new.

If this guy had an air-tight alibi, I don't think anyone would be traveling from Boulder to Charlotte. What do you think???

READER - 09:03pm Apr 7, 1997 (#222 of 500)

SWEETIE. YOU ARE RIGHT YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT. NIGHT...SICK KID.GOTTA GO

Nick Husband - 09:42pm Apr 7, 1997 (#223 of 500)

Jams' track record is better than anything from the trash bucket that I've seen.

jams jameson - 10:11pm Apr 7, 1997 (#224 of 500)

Nick - I could be wrong - I know it is not the Ramseys, but it would be nice it the shoe fit here. Known pedophile - MO going through windows to get little girls from their beds.

jams jameson - 10:13pm Apr 7, 1997 (#225 of 500)

If you get a map, look at the cities, Reno, Nevada...Las Vegas....Salt Lake City, Utah..... and then Boulder? Like making a line across the country? There is also an earlier CA case being mentioned.

jams jameson - 10:15pm Apr 7, 1997 (#226 of 500)

Could this guy possibly have been staying with friends, or hanging out with college kids, Christmas week? If he had an airtight alibi, why would Boulder cops be in Charlotte, NC.?

READER - 11:05pm Apr 7, 1997 (#227 of 500)

THAT DOES IT JAMESON...you are my hero...did he rape that person back in August in Boulder..was that a 16 yr. old...it was a boulder news item in their old news or something. Dadgum, its cat night on the ocmputer.

READER - 11:08pm Apr 7, 1997 (#228 of 500)

Jameson, they deleted the Tabloids question again. it is deliberate. Please check the forum>..I posted it there on Monday 2 and tues 1 and mayber on batman confesses.

Nick Husband - 07:24am Apr 8, 1997 (#229 of 500)

Not much new from them since the "arrest" they talked about happening yesterday wasn't uh...happening. Just more trash like I thought.

Rita - 07:38am Apr 8, 1997 (#230 of 500)

Yeah, I've seen her before. She is still beautiful! But about Patsy & John's handwriting, is that type analysis allowed as evidence now? I know bite marks i.e., Ted Bundy is allowed, but not sure about the handwriting. Doesn't seem to be very dependable but I don't know that much about it. I brought up the matter of JonBenet having chronic bladder infections and no one had any comments on that. My pediatrican NEVER gave me that kind of exam. The closest I ever got before my first GYN a month before getting married to get birth control pills was when I was three and my mother was in a hurry to get me to the doctor and forgot my underware!!!!! Also, I haven't heard about the handyman either...

Nick Husband - 07:56am Apr 8, 1997 (#231 of 500)

I think it was Jennifer who said she's had infection problems since that young, and has never suffered abuse. I think another woman agreed to, but I'm not sure Rita.

jams jameson - 08:12am Apr 8, 1997 (#232 of 500)

Reader - I think he would not have attacked a 16 yr old - unless she looked younger. He preferred them very young and defenseless. Where are details of this rape?

Nick Husband - 09:51am Apr 8, 1997 (#233 of 500)

Shhhh Strangely quiet since Jams was proven right about the NC suspect and the "others" proven wrong in saying he hit on Nancy and the arrest that was to happen yesterday didn't materialize

READER - 11:27am Apr 8, 1997 (#234 of 500)

JAMESON. IT IS in a place I get to in boulder news ....it is an accident for me. It just brings up old news archives somewhere in the boulder news...not just ramsey old news. other. lady in ditch and so on. do you know what LIL BIRD thinks I did????

READER - 11:32am Apr 8, 1997 (#235 of 500)

RITA, not because of infections but I , my sister and my daughter were regularly checked by several different pediatricians. Just checked visually. Its too make sure there is not neglect on hygiene. Not uncommon. Depend on dr.

corinne - 02:33pm Apr 8, 1997 (#236 of 500)

does'nt any one see the stark similarity in the first tv news interviews with both the ramsey's and susan smith? it just seems so blatent that they all knew what they had done, but still tried to deceive the public. with their eye movements and other body language , they all seemed to be guilty to me.

READER - 02:53pm Apr 8, 1997 (#237 of 500)

I NOTICED that the way patsy talked and looked and sounded was quite a bit like the way susan smith sounded.

Nick Husband - 03:13pm Apr 8, 1997 (#238 of 500)

I'm impressed. I usually have to actually have some EVIDENCE before I find someone guilty of something. Apparently that's not required by some people. (Sigh) Maybe someday I'll have the ability to read minds and have "feelings" telling me who's guilty. Until then I guess I'll just have to LET THE JUSTICE SYSTEM DO IT FOR ME... (Pout)

nancy berka - 08:47pm Apr 8, 1997 (#239 of 500)

JayneLisa: What is your problem. You are one of the cattiest people I have ever seen on a bulletin board. You also aren't all that knowledgable. Who said JonBonet got bruises from backstage at a pageant? Mr. Jameson's daughter having a visual exam is also nothing out of the ordinary. Do you have any children. Probably not otherwise you wouldn't speak so ignorantly. My kids always get bruises, from each other, usually. All of my children get visually examined by a doctor when they have their physical exams. Try to stick to something you know, if thats possible, instead of attacking everyone.

Celeste Clarke - 12:55pm Apr 10, 1997 (#240 of 500)

Sheryl, don't believe the recent arguing was from sickos, just two people that were headstrong and neither one wanted to stop. Chat which got out of hand. Now someone who WAS a SICKO was DikHead. Glad he is off here for good!

Karen Salmond - 12:56pm Apr 10, 1997 (#241 of 500)

Sheryl, I don't agree with the 1st part of your comment. You have lumped Nick & I into a catagory, that I think he would even say was a bit inaccurate. Sickos are sex offenders. Not normal people that just "lock horns". It would be nice if you retracted, thanks.

Longhorn - 01:40pm Apr 10, 1997 (#242 of 500)

Right , it is his statement that she was not abused, as an absolute, when the only way to know for sure whould be an exam that wasn't done. If he had said he saw nothing to make him think so, but of course anything is possible. There is no way he can be positive on a cursary exam

jams jameson - 01:52pm Apr 10, 1997 (#243 of 500)

Young molestation victims would probably react differently to a physical than others. The preschool physical in many states includes a BRIEF VISUAL EXTERNAL EXAM of the genitals. He may be talking about the fact he saw no evidence of trauma, but he also may mean she did not react as a molestation victim might. She was in Kindergarten so she would have had a recent physical.

Lisa - 08:34pm Apr 10, 1997 (#244 of 500)

Thank You Nancy!

Anyhow, back to JBR, this is interesting news about Fleet. Ofcourse it is all hearsay at this point. I am still holding onto the belief that the Ramsey's are innocent.

jams jameson - 08:31am Apr 11, 1997 (#245 of 500)

Maybe the door had been painted during the remodeling. It was stuck when the BPD checked earlier in the day. So Fleet thought it should be forced - that makes JR or the BPD guilty??? HUH?

Nancy B. - 09:53am Apr 11, 1997 (#246 of 500)

I seen the pictures of the housekeeper & handyman on the website too, Wendy, and thank you so much for the address. Looks like a very good website.

Has there been anymore reports on the two of them. You said you think they're still on the list of suspects. Where I come from - we haven't heard a word about them!

But Jams, don't forget -- there are many parts of the autopsy that is not available to the public...I thought there was something there about vaginal irritation...darn....I have to go back and reread it... but what you said is right too. Almost some contradictions??

Nancy B. - 01:10pm Apr 11, 1997 (#247 of 500)

My post #247 is a week late! Today is 4/11 and I'm posting about Geraldo Live show Thursday nite and an A.M. TV show this morning - I heard that the police asked Janet Ramsey for a 4th handwriting sample. But a reporter from Denver, by the name of C. McKinley (I think) said there would be no difference in this sample from the other sample (#3) because it would still be a rehearsed one ( this all is not a direct quote) just my interpretation of what she said. This is not counting the samples Janet gave while on heavy medication. She also said (not a direct quote) that Janet would give this sample to her lawyers to hand over to the police. I wonder what good will this #4 handwriting sample be then?

Nancy B. - 01:11pm Apr 11, 1997 (#248 of 500)

Sorry folks - in post #248 - I posted the name Janet - and I meant Patsy, JB's mother.

Nick Husband - 01:32pm Apr 11, 1997 (#249 of 500)

This is a left handed sample

Nick Husband - 01:35pm Apr 11, 1997 (#250 of 500)

Judges haven't

Nick Husband - 01:35pm Apr 11, 1997 (#251 of 500)

been allowing handwriting

Nick Husband - 10:13am Apr 12, 1997 (#252 of 500)

except to

Nick Husband - 10:13am Apr 12, 1997 (#253 of 500)

show "similarities"

Nick Husband - 10:37am Apr 12, 1997 (#254 of 500)

YOU lied, not Jameson, in #209 DIdiot.

Rita - 11:23am Apr 12, 1997 (#255 of 500)

Nick, I've heard of people talking to themselves, but if you start answering yourself I'm gonna worry! I can never talk to myself, because I keep interrupting (teehee)

Nick Husband - 07:34pm Apr 12, 1997 (#256 of 500)

hahahaha You giving me a tough time, Rita??? Grrrrrrin.

jams jameson - 07:50pm Apr 12, 1997 (#257 of 500)

Is there a site that discusses serial sexual predators that have been released from jail? Many states had to last year because of space problems.

Nick Husband - 11:51pm Apr 12, 1997 (#258 of 500)

I'll check on it Jams.

Headless Dick - 01:26am Apr 15, 1997 (#259 of 500)

Celeste, you're wrong!!!!! I am here FOR GOOD!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

Rita - 07:49am Apr 15, 1997 (#260 of 500)

Oh no Celeste! Ya cursed us! I thought someone put out a hit on him!

Karen Salmond - 10:27am Apr 15, 1997 (#261 of 500)

Hey guys, even I thought that he wouldn't have the guts to come out of the stench of the manure pile, after that discusting post that was banned by sysop.

Rita - 11:54am Apr 15, 1997 (#262 of 500)

Didn't Sysop say to e-mail them if he came back? I know I didn't dream that?

J.L. Gray - 06:16pm Apr 15, 1997 (#263 of 500)

WHAT???!!! ANOTHER handwriting sample asked for in today's news????

Nick Husband - 07:21pm Apr 15, 1997 (#264 of 500)

Is that right, J.L.???? Geez

Nick Husband - 07:21pm Apr 15, 1997 (#265 of 500)

They're just playing mind games now.

Karen Salmond - 01:18am Apr 16, 1997 (#266 of 500)

Yes they wanted left and right handwriting samples. That just tells me that they don't have anything much in the way of a case.

Nick Husband - 06:15am Apr 16, 1997 (#267 of 500)

The Ramseys are moving to Atlanta, selling their home in Boulder. At this point house might be more appropriate than home.

jams jameson - 09:28am Apr 16, 1997 (#268 of 500)

The first 2 samples were no good because of the medication PR was taking. They now have 2 good samples. The fifth request was to be expected - but any more may be harassment.

JayneLisa Clarke - 01:22pm Apr 16, 1997 (#269 of 500)

jameson,

Is it true the Ramsey Spin Team took you off the Boulder Forum assignment?

jams jameson - 02:26pm Apr 16, 1997 (#270 of 500)

Honestly Jayne - that is a false rumor.

Nick Husband - 03:06pm Apr 16, 1997 (#271 of 500)

Do you always look this silly Jayne

Karen Salmond - 11:37pm Apr 16, 1997 (#272 of 500)

To take a comment from Patricia, get real Jayne Lisa and just let it die

Nick Husband - 08:11am Apr 17, 1997 (#273 of 500)

What do those bruises have to do with what we were talking about? Sexual abuse, over a period of time, seen by a forensic scientist who's never seen her or the entire autopsy? No thanks. I've seen the area you've come from, and it doesn't interest me.

Nick Husband - 08:11am Apr 17, 1997 (#274 of 500)

As to visiting your neighborhood no thanks I've watched they games you people have played there

Nick Husband - 08:12am Apr 17, 1997 (#275 of 500)

Hahaha No you're incorrect and I wasn't talking about the bruises on her arm but the ones at her vagina I cannot believe that wouldn't be obvious Geez Hahahahaha

Nick Husband - 08:12am Apr 17, 1997 (#276 of 500)

I was talking about the tiny bruises at her vagina NOT her arms Hahahahahaha

Nick Husband - 08:15am Apr 17, 1997 (#277 of 500)

You talk about the arm bruises when we were talking about sexual abuse, and read up, microscopic bruises Duhhhh Think

Nick Husband - 09:54am Apr 17, 1997 (#278 of 500)

Guess I just have this thing about not putting my feet in crap, DMinus

Karen Salmond - 09:55am Apr 17, 1997 (#279 of 500)

You know Jayne, I was just speaking to Brian last night (someone who got into with Nick) and we both had commented on how Nick & Jams could be the same person. Hmmmmmm Then again, is there anyone who hasn't "locked horns" with Nick? He (or she) is everywhere & has an opinion on everything under the sun!

Nancy B. - 10:10am Apr 17, 1997 (#280 of 500)

You people sound bored. Thought we were supposed to be discussing the Ramsey murder, etc. Nick, what have you involved yourself in???? Careful!

jams jameson - 11:07am Apr 17, 1997 (#281 of 500)

Fleet and his wife have been cleared. No information on what cleared them, no information on any other suspects. The BPD does not say the Ramseys are the prime suspects. Expected fifth sample to be given by PR. No news. I fear this is not going to be solved.

Maryland Man - 11:32am Apr 17, 1997 (#282 of 500)

Hello Fellow Boulder Forum Members,

Are you getting excited for the events soon to come?

Maryland Man - 11:32am Apr 17, 1997 (#283 of 500)

kayjanda,

Please share the information you have on Jayne. It is important we get it.

Marybeth Grant - 11:53am Apr 17, 1997 (#284 of 500)

jameson,

You can believe me or not about my husband kicking and banning you as a joke. I don't need to get this upset. I enjoyed chatting with the girls last night and will miss them but life goes on. For what it is worth, Frank thought you would all think it was funny for some reason. he doesn't realize what all has gone on there so doesn't understand how serious something like what he did would be taken.

He says he and Chico kick and ban each other and laugh like hyenas. Different strokes for different folks.

Dianne E. - 11:59am Apr 17, 1997 (#285 of 500)

If we all pool the information we have about Teacher we should be able to track her down.

Dianne E. - 12:01pm Apr 17, 1997 (#286 of 500)

jameson main concern on the Boulder Forum Bulletin Board was to track other posters down. I find it amusing and entertaining so I have taken it up as a hobby also.

F. B. Eye - 12:07pm Apr 17, 1997 (#287 of 500)

Take it easy everyone...We're just here because jamy jamyson called us in to investigate this board.

F. B. Eye - 12:07pm Apr 17, 1997 (#288 of 500)

We're here jamsy boy!

READER - 12:17pm Apr 17, 1997 (#289 of 500)

guess i'll see yall late tomorrow...I am overbooked again this week. Thanks goodnight. Jameson did you ever notice the Tabloids and the forum running toe in cheek or whatever that saying is.?? We gossip and they later called it a scoop?

Nancy B. - 12:31pm Apr 17, 1997 (#290 of 500)

Jams, who are you speaking of in your #291 post?

Nancy B. - 12:32pm Apr 17, 1997 (#291 of 500)

Jams, I posted in another folder about Christopher Mueller, law prof at U of Colorado specializing in evidence, said, "they must believe that there is some possibility that (Mrs. Ramsey) authored the note, but disguised her handwriting in some way." referring to 5th request for handwriting sample...

Dianne E. - 01:26pm Apr 17, 1997 (#292 of 500)

Accroding to jameson his daughter was routinely checked internally. He described it as "the labia was opened and examined".

Dianne E. - 01:27pm Apr 17, 1997 (#293 of 500)

Accroding to jameson his daughter was routinely checked internally. He described it as "the labia was opened and examined".

corinne - 01:39pm Apr 17, 1997 (#294 of 500)

dear nick, sorry that you took so much offense by my observation. i am in no way stating that they are or are'nt guilty, i can in no way "know" that, however, i do feel that there is a lot of scientific data to back up body and eye movements, (as in polygraphs), that to at least quite a number of people who do research on these very subjects, to put an awful lot of credence in it. as with the court system, i do feel that they will do what they have to do to find, and punish this person. on top of that, i feel that sometimes, women can perceive these body language nuances better, possibly because they are much more used to interacting with fellow humans on a more sensitive plane, .....the emotional revelation manifested in gestures.

jams jameson - 02:09pm Apr 17, 1997 (#295 of 500)

Diane E - #1 I never tracked anyone anywhere. I only wanted to post about case. Check the threads.

Karen Salmond - 01:29am Apr 18, 1997 (#296 of 500)

Post #280 is really old information just appearing. Sorry Nick just ignore this, this was written when I still had an axe to grind. Jabs no more ...........

jams jameson - 01:39pm Apr 18, 1997 (#297 of 500)

Reader is reported to have come through the surgery well. Haven't heard from her yet though. Her kid posted the info.

Nick Husband - 02:33pm Apr 18, 1997 (#298 of 500)

With the ones on here Karen it's kinda like siblings. We may fight each other, call each other names, whatever. Let someone come in and attack one of us, and EVERYBODY defends. (Grin) Of course "I'VE" never been stubborn a day in my LIFE.. Hahahahahahaha

maxi - 02:40pm Apr 18, 1997 (#299 of 500)

Jameson, Christmas stuff and golf clubs were in that room. It couldn't have been painted shut Dec. 26. It would not likely have been nailed shut either. I think it has just been described as stuck. I think the police didn't look in it the first day because they were looking for points of entry and were told it had no window.

jams jameson - 02:46pm Apr 18, 1997 (#300 of 500)

Look at the autopsy - the parts about genetalia and vaginal mucosa have no redacted parts. Not one line blacked out.

Nick Husband - 02:50pm Apr 18, 1997 (#301 of 500)

THIS one is a LEFT handed sample. Judges haven't been accepting handwriting samples as evidence.

Anne Phillips - 02:59pm Apr 18, 1997 (#302 of 500)

Trust No One

Hey jams-what states give young children such exams? As a mom of a son and daughter,and a teacher who asks around, here in the mid-atlantic a child keeps underpants on--unless there is a specific problem;and, infections often show up, if ever, in a urine test. I am no Dr. but what makes you an expert on these exams? Clarify please.

Lorraine M. - 03:07pm Apr 18, 1997 (#303 of 500)

Please! Enough is enough! What it all comes down to is the almighty dollar! (shades of OJ...) WHY haven't they made an arrest? Because, as the Simpson trial obviously proved, money CAN and DOES buy freedom for the GUILTY! There always have been and always will be two primary suspects! No need for Sherlock Holmes here - you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out this whodunit! No, the butler didn't do it, but the parents did! They should have been arrested forthwith, and if they weren't loaded with greenbacks, they would have been. The feds etc. are giving John and Patsy ample time to amass their own "dream team", so that once again, their guilt shall set them free!

Rita - 03:11pm Apr 18, 1997 (#304 of 500)

Jennifer on your posting #28 don't you think that if JBR had HEREDITARY bladder problems she would JUMP at the chance for Pam to bugle it on TV? That would nip the molestation charges in the bud! Think about it. Yes, you speak from experience - but from the hereditary side of the issue. Don't you believe what M.Colletti says? I do, because I speak from experience. The first bladder infection I had was right after having sex for the first time! I was scared to death to tell my mother, because everyone knows WHY that bladder infection is there!

Rita - 03:12pm Apr 18, 1997 (#305 of 500)

Reader, I must have been born too early to have been checked for hygine and neglect. Is this a new thing they are doing to children now? I'm childless so I would be ignorant to that fact. But I am glad to read M.Colletti's message #21. To me that answers the question I've been asking. One of the males stated their child had a brief external visual exam, but wouldn't venture into the question of why so many bladder infections, abrasions on her vagina, etc. That just kept niggling me and now I'm satisfied.

jams_jameson - 04:14pm Apr 19, 1997 (#306 of 500)

You people are such incredible bores. I can't stand to listen to your mindless dribble.

Nick Husband - 06:26pm Apr 19, 1997 (#307 of 500)

Just like the space in your head, there's too much space in your handle, Jelly Jameson. Sell the jelly', it's wasted in your head. jams12jameson IS NOT jams1jameson. Check the handles folks. Just another wannabe.

Nick Husband - 06:29pm Apr 19, 1997 (#308 of 500)

Just another DIdiot wannabe, Jams.. I had no idea stupid could go that deep. Wow.

Nick Husband - 06:31pm Apr 19, 1997 (#309 of 500)

#309 explains it's not Jams.

Nick Husband - 06:34pm Apr 19, 1997 (#310 of 500)

Yep, but I'll pass the word, you know ME.. Heh heh

Nick Husband - 07:19pm Apr 19, 1997 (#311 of 500)

No...I saw your handle with Hunter after IT.. Strange board.

jams jameson_ - 06:12am Apr 20, 1997 (#312 of 500)

Also, I figured out who stole my password. It is the FBI. They came to my house and went through my computer. I'm writing President Clinton at this very moment.

Nick Husband - 07:50am Apr 20, 1997 (#313 of 500)

#319 Isn't him EITHER.. Hey FBIdiot and DIdiot!! Just get a fly strip and take all your garbage pail kids on home.. ROFL ROFL ROFL This time you put a space after the entire handle.. ROFL

Nick_Husband - 08:12am Apr 20, 1997 (#314 of 500)

YAWN

Nick_Husband - 08:13am Apr 20, 1997 (#315 of 500)

Does anybody here know where I can find a clinic for Sominex addiction? I pop those pills all day and I know now that I have a problem.

YAWN

Nick Husband - 08:50am Apr 20, 1997 (#316 of 500)

#322 You sure do, Nick12Husband, it's hero worship. But thanks for imitating me!! Hahahahaha

Nick Husband - 09:28am Apr 20, 1997 (#317 of 500)

You guys ought to be thanking me, Nick12Husband.. Last night I chased a dog away from the garbage.. ROFL ROFL ROFL

jams_jameson - 10:57am Apr 20, 1997 (#318 of 500)

That stuff about me murdering JonBenet is more propaganda from the Boulder News group.

I work for the Ramsey's spin team. That's why I'm on the forums everywhere all day every day.

Nick Husband - 11:23am Apr 20, 1997 (#319 of 500)

#325 Naaaa You're just one of the group of flies, (im)poster. Hahahaha

LazyLady - 12:43pm Apr 20, 1997 (#320 of 500)

This is beyond interesting Nick. What are you jams YES man? You just have nothing better to do than kiss his behind? Interesting!

Nick Husband - 12:45pm Apr 20, 1997 (#321 of 500)

You writing a book LadyBug? Leave that page out and make it a mystery.. ROFL ROFL ROFL

LazyLady - 12:48pm Apr 20, 1997 (#322 of 500)

I'm serious Nick. Why the unbridled devotion? Is that ALL you're here for?

Nick Husband - 12:50pm Apr 20, 1997 (#323 of 500)

Or you could make it a love story and kiss my ..... ROFL ROFL

LazyLady - 12:52pm Apr 20, 1997 (#324 of 500)

You are not capable of carrying on a conversation Nick. I knew that already from looking through the threads here. But you ARE a GREAT rump kisser for jams jameson! So at least you're good for something.

Nick Husband - 12:55pm Apr 20, 1997 (#325 of 500)

There's a garbage can over there just a few feet, -> left it full JUST FOR YOU!!! SWAT

LazyLady - 12:55pm Apr 20, 1997 (#326 of 500)

I enjoy trying to figure people out. From what I've read of your postings I can tell you are first and foremost OBNOXIOUS.

But after that.....

Nick Husband - 12:55pm Apr 20, 1997 (#327 of 500)

Oh I CAN hold a conversation, with anyone I CHOOSE to talk to.. but I don't put my hand in garbage.

Nick Husband - 12:56pm Apr 20, 1997 (#328 of 500)

Thank you, I consider the source and I appreciate that I'm not YOUR kind of people.

LazyLady - 12:57pm Apr 20, 1997 (#329 of 500)

Nick you just come unglued at the slightest remark. Do you know why you do that?

I do....

LazyLady - 12:58pm Apr 20, 1997 (#330 of 500)

Although you will NOT admit it Nick Husband - You ARE talking to me right now....

So, if you think I'm garbage why don't you stop?

Nick Husband - 01:00pm Apr 20, 1997 (#331 of 500)

Hahahaha You're just another fly from the trash heap.. Swat!

LazyLady - 01:00pm Apr 20, 1997 (#332 of 500)

You don't even know me Nick Husband - You have no idea what type of person I am.

Seems you just naturally think the worst of women. Usually that begins in childhood. It was your MOTHER wasn't it Nick?

Nick Husband - 01:02pm Apr 20, 1997 (#333 of 500)

Try and make it a gender thing. HAHAHAHAHA Nobody will fall for that either. ROFL

LazyLady - 01:02pm Apr 20, 1997 (#334 of 500)

You've got a real fly fixation there Nick.

That's interesting also.

Nick Husband - 01:03pm Apr 20, 1997 (#335 of 500)

Your jokes are at least better than the other bugs... ROFL ROFL

LazyLady - 01:05pm Apr 20, 1997 (#336 of 500)

You are the only one TRYING to do anything Nick. It seems you have more than 2 major personality flaws.

Nick Husband - 01:05pm Apr 20, 1997 (#337 of 500)

You know what you are, you chose the name ....BUG.. ROFL ROFL

Nick Husband - 01:07pm Apr 20, 1997 (#338 of 500)

You just left out your LAST name... Lady BUG!! ROFL ROFL

LazyLady - 01:09pm Apr 20, 1997 (#339 of 500)

You think LazyLady is a BUG Nick?

Did your Mother leave you alone where flys and bugs would crawl all over you? That would explain much. You're the only one seeing Bugs here Nick. Did you know that?

LazyLady - 01:10pm Apr 20, 1997 (#340 of 500)

What a sad case you are Nick.

TaTa

Nick Husband - 01:13pm Apr 20, 1997 (#341 of 500)

Look back LadyBug...I'm the one laughing.. ROFL ROFL You're the one who has nothing to say about the topic, just about ME.. I'm still not going out with you. ROFL ROFL

Nick Husband - 01:18pm Apr 20, 1997 (#342 of 500)

I guess it was never about the topic. Just came in to cause trouble because the other one is down..

Dminor Hacker - 01:28pm Apr 20, 1997 (#343 of 500)

Nick,

The other one is not down.

You never even talk about the case. All you do is either make sexual innuendos towards other posters or fight for jameson.

You are sick.

Nick Husband - 01:32pm Apr 20, 1997 (#344 of 500)

Geez, maybe I caught something from the FLYS...ROFL ROFL Yep, since you guys came in that IS what I've had to do mostly.

Nick Husband - 01:33pm Apr 20, 1997 (#345 of 500)

Isn't that kinda like YOU, DIdiot?? Hahahaha At least I don't come on and LIE..

Nick Husband - 01:33pm Apr 20, 1997 (#345 of 500)

Isn't that kinda like YOU, DIdiot?? Hahahaha At least I don't come on and LIE..

Dminor Hacker - 01:35pm Apr 20, 1997 (#346 of 500)

What have I lied about?

Dminor Hacker - 01:44pm Apr 20, 1997 (#347 of 500)

Answer what I HAVE lied about jameson.

You are the one who has lied. You swore you were not from NC. Where do you say you live now?

Nick Husband - 01:53pm Apr 20, 1997 (#348 of 500)

You said that I was jams' lover.. It's a lie... not true.. I'd explain it further, but it's past you.

Nick Husband - 02:21pm Apr 20, 1997 (#349 of 500)

You said I shouldn't post anymore on the Boulder forum, since I NEVER have THAT is a lie. How many does it take DIdiot?? ROFL ROFL ROFL

Nick Husband - 02:24pm Apr 20, 1997 (#350 of 500)

You said I have to be paid by the Ramseys...STRIKE THREE.. ROFL ROLF ROFL

Nick Husband - 02:25pm Apr 20, 1997 (#351 of 500)

How many lies does it take to make a liar, DMinor Hacker?? You've uh..."caught your limit" Must be those FLYS.. ROFL ROFL ROFL

jams_Sue - 02:43pm Apr 20, 1997 (#352 of 500)

All Right! That's enough from you Nick! I heard you were trying to take jams away from me and let me tell you something right now! You're not man enough to take my man!

Nick Husband - 03:17pm Apr 20, 1997 (#353 of 500)

ROFL ROFL ROFL I didn't know flys could fly from boulder that quick!!

maxi - 12:49pm Apr 21, 1997 (#354 of 500)

Here's a stranger theory: Someone outside the family had fallen in love with JonBenet. Who wouldn't love her -- she lights up the room. He's sure she loves him too, but doesn't know how to say it outright. She shows him in so many little ways -- he can tell they have a special relationship. If he could just be alone with her, they would be like Lolita and Humbert. Now she is leaving for Michegan. He has to act. He devises a desperte and romantic scheme -- they will run away together. Of course, he'll have to "kidnap" herbut he's sure when they are alone together she'll understand. She seems so much older than her years. He knows where the spare key is kept and he uses it. He spends some time composing the "ransom" note and leaves it on the stairs. He quietly creeps up to her room by the light of a large flashlight. She looks so beautiful lying in her bed and he begins to touch her gently. Suddenly she wakes up terrified. He tries to explain the plan, but she won't listen. Instead of actig like the willing lover he thought she was, she acts like a terrified 6-year-old. She doesn't want him and she won't shut up. His dream world shattered, he hits her over the head with the flashlight -- haard. That shuts her up, but he's still angry. How could she lead him on and then reject him? He'll show her. He scoops her up, blanket and all, and carries her to a remote room in the basement. She's beginning to make little noises, so he finds some duct tape and tapes her mouth and ankles. She thrashes about like a fish, scraping her back and the back of her leg. He wants her to BE STILL and he wants to have his way with her. He locates a small stick and some cord and starts to tie her wrist. She keeps wriggling, so he fashions a garotte and slips it around her neck. He begins to tighten... You know the rest. Possible?

jams jameson - 12:54pm Apr 21, 1997 (#355 of 500)

If she was assaulted in her room. Wouldn't there have been more evidence - on the wall, curtains, floor, along the path to the basement? I think she went willingly to the basement.

Karen Salmond - 07:54pm Apr 21, 1997 (#356 of 500)

JB going to the basement via "willing" "coaxed" or "dragged" sounds more plausible than the outlandish theory in #364.

jams jameson - 07:18am Apr 22, 1997 (#357 of 500)

6 yr old - Christmas magic - I think if she recognized the face, she could be coaxed. After all, she was not asked to leave the house. My kids would balk at that, but not moving within the home, I think.

Quianna Thomas - 04:02pm Apr 22, 1997 (#358 of 500)

CibrQT@aol.com

Maxi, your theory is just TOO weird.

Quianna Thomas - 04:05pm Apr 22, 1997 (#359 of 500)

CibrQT@aol.com

The person who murdered JB IS someone she knew & trusted!!!

jams jameson - 08:21pm Apr 22, 1997 (#360 of 500)

I agree she knew him on sight - but in her home on Christmas night, I think she would have trusted almost anyone.

Nancy B. - 01:32pm Apr 23, 1997 (#361 of 500)

From watching Larry King last nite (4/15) guests (Newsweek, Rocky Mt. & Boulder reporters)speculate that they might be looking for 'something' by requesting L&R handwriting samples. They also said the baseball bat was found in the backyard among other toys, swing set, red wagon. Also, among the many golf clubs they took only one. But, was the head wound consistent with injuries sustained from a weapon such as a gulf club? G. Spence was excellent about the manipulative media directing suspicion to the Ramsey family and that they are absolutely doing the right thing by not answering anyone's questions because "whatever you say may & will be held against you." I thought it was a good show.

Lee - 03:27pm Apr 23, 1997 (#362 of 500)

Just call me Sandy

Karen, wrong format for that comment. But so you will know, I haven't "locked horns" with Nick. Maybe it's you who has the problem! I thought everyone had a right to be everywhere and express their opinions on here, was I wrong!

Kathy Soich - 07:34am Apr 24, 1997 (#363 of 500)

I find this whole Ramsey case wierd. To begin with, if the parents were innocent, they would have willingly spoken with the police immediately. I still find it impossible to believe that they have the option of being interviewed by the Boulder police, FBI, etc. Is it a case of 'money can buy anything - even silence?". The latest I heard is that initial testing of DNA has a match of the blood on little JonBenet with that of her father? Well...!! Doesn't that tell them something?

Rita - 09:02am Apr 24, 1997 (#364 of 500)

Kathy, haven't heard that yet! Where did you hear that?? If it's true...woe be unto him!

Nick Husband - 09:26am Apr 24, 1997 (#365 of 500)

It was reported Rita, and I can get you the sites for those stories, but it was "source" info, supposedly from a leak in the DA or police. They were quick to point out that it probably means little even if it is true, and there's been no verification yet.

Rita - 01:13pm Apr 24, 1997 (#366 of 500)

I just saw on Hard Copy about Kimberly Ballard who was supposed to have had an affair with John. She took a polygraph and it came out inconclusive. So I have my doubts. She looks like a dumb a--.

Rita - 01:14pm Apr 24, 1997 (#367 of 500)

She's got this hair...cotton candy wanna be blonde. Know what I mean? I hope this isn't old news.

myself - 06:55pm Apr 24, 1997 (#368 of 500)

I love blondes. What is your problem with blonds?

Rita - 08:52pm Apr 24, 1997 (#369 of 500)

Well, nothing since I AM blonde. What's your prob, do you have cotton candy hair too?

Rita - 08:52pm Apr 24, 1997 (#370 of 500)

Natural that is!

Blone - 09:02am Apr 25, 1997 (#371 of 500)

I think your a dumb blonde.

Nick Husband - 09:33am Apr 25, 1997 (#372 of 500)

This from someone who can't SPELL blond?? I don't think I'd worry about your intellect, Rita.

Rita - 09:36am Apr 25, 1997 (#373 of 500)

I got a good one coming!

Redhead - 11:06am Apr 25, 1997 (#374 of 500)

I agree. She is a dumb a.. blonde.

Redhead - 12:27pm Apr 25, 1997 (#375 of 500)

Yes Mr. Rita Dickson is a dumb blond.

Nick Husband - 03:04pm Apr 25, 1997 (#376 of 500)

Don't worry, they'll probably have the Boulder Threads back up soon, DeadHead.. ERR Nope..I got it right.

jams jameson - 10:54am Apr 26, 1997 (#377 of 500)

Are the Ramseys the suspects really? Read the Boulder news 4/26. Since when is this info given to suspects??

Nick Husband - 08:39am Apr 28, 1997 (#378 of 500)

Thanks Corinne. I don't take personal offense at your post, it just would seem to me that we shouldn't make anyone guilty of anything until the courts do. And while I agree body language can give hints, those hints can be about something the people are thinking that has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. And I have a problem with lie detector tests, because they also rely on someone's perception of what they see, rather than on a factual piece of evidence.

maxi - 02:42pm Apr 28, 1997 (#379 of 500)

I think most autopsies contain a description of the external genitalia. If JonBenet's autopsy was typical, this description has been redacted along with most of the external exam findings. The internal exam findings contain a description of the vaginal vault, cervix, intestines, etc. Some sort of evidence that did not cause injurty (so isn't in the final diagnosis) must have been on the body. What could that be?

jams jameson - 08:05am Apr 29, 1997 (#380 of 500)

bites, writing, a birthmark or something the real killer would have seen? (could be used to sort out any false confessions)

Nick_Husband - 10:04am Apr 29, 1997 (#381 of 500)

I didn't post the above post. That was somebody posting AS me. This is the real me. I'm jams jameson's siamese twin. We're joined at the hip as you can all tell.

Nick Husband - 11:33am Apr 29, 1997 (#382 of 500)

You WANT to be joined at the hip, DIdiot.

LazyLady - 08:38am Apr 30, 1997 (#383 of 500)

Seems to me Nick - You're positive jams jameson cannot speak for himself. I see you are his mouthpiece but I'm curious as to why.

Nick Husband - 08:39am Apr 30, 1997 (#384 of 500)

I at least am honest, and post as MYSELF. I don't come in here just to trash someone.

LazyLady - 08:39am Apr 30, 1997 (#385 of 500)

I assume your Mother would leave you alone where the flys and bugs could crawl all over you. That would certainly explain much about what I'm seeing here.

I choose not to stay around anyone with as many problems as you obviously have.

Good-Bye

LazyLady - 08:39am Apr 30, 1997 (#386 of 500)

I assume your Mother would leave you alone where the flys and bugs could crawl all over you. That would certainly explain much about what I'm seeing here.

I choose not to stay around anyone with as many problems as you obviously have.

Good-Bye

jams_Sue - 08:52am Apr 30, 1997 (#387 of 500)

Nick, I know your program ... I'm not as understanding as LazyLady. She told me about your problems with your mother leaving you in a fly & bug infested place. I don't feel sorry for you At All!

jams_Sue - 08:53am Apr 30, 1997 (#388 of 500)

Nick, I know your program ... I'm not as understanding as LazyLady. She told me about your problems with your mother leaving you in a fly & bug infested place. I don't feel sorry for you At All!

jams_Sue - 08:53am Apr 30, 1997 (#389 of 500)

Nick that was obviously some very bad LSD you had to keep seeing bugs everywhere.

jams jameson is MY man...You can't have him...I don't think he's gay although there is no doubt that he's bi.

jams_Sue - 08:53am Apr 30, 1997 (#390 of 500)

It been a long time since we've been intimate but I believe jams jameson is bi and not gay.

jams honey where are you? Talk to me.

jams_Sue - 08:53am Apr 30, 1997 (#391 of 500)

It been a long time since we've been intimate but I believe jam jelly is bi and not gay.

jelly honey where are you? Talk to me.

Nick Husband - 09:22am Apr 30, 1997 (#392 of 500)

Hahahaha Cute.

maxi - 02:42pm May 1, 1997 (#393 of 500)

jamison - What other evidence would be in the bedroom except perhaps footprints? We don't know if her blood was found on the sheets. BPD did take sections of rug from her room. I don't think there would be much blood spatter from this kind of blow.

Karen Salmond - 08:28pm May 1, 1997 (#394 of 500)

Still guilty in my book!

jams jameson - 11:21am May 6, 1997 (#395 of 500)

I think the evidence in the bedroom is important because they know the killer took her from there - I am fairly sure it was not the murder scene and the evidence in there will prove it.

jams jameson - 11:24am May 6, 1997 (#396 of 500)

What COULD be there? Whatever was on the killer's feet. Did the trace footprints include dust from the basement room or powder like that in JR's bathroom? Maybe the killer works somewhere special chemicals are used, maybe traces of those were found.

Quianna Thomas - 02:01pm May 6, 1997 (#397 of 500)

CibrQT@aol.com

Posting was alot more fun when we didn't have all the bickering & the conflict. I think the killer IS someone that JB knew and trusted.

maxi - 02:04pm May 6, 1997 (#398 of 500)

Quianna - The theory isn't too weird - it's too normal. It's textbook stuff. It's the case that's weird with so many coincidences and so many leads going nowhere. The theory I posted is actually what I thought in the beginning, before the investigation seemed to focus on the parents. I thought that or John Andrew would most likely fit the pattern. So far I have not been able to come up with another theory in which all the pieces fit. Sexual abuse murders by biological parents are so rare as to be almost nonexistent. I now think it has to have been either an accident by the father during sexual abuse or something so strange we have yet to figure it out.

jams jameson - 08:32am May 7, 1997 (#399 of 500)

Hunter said the DNA will not be the silver bullet. If it were an outsider and they had a match - it would be, but not necessarily if it is the father's - we know of no scratch on him that day and there are innocent ways that DNA might have gotten there.

jams jameson - 08:59am May 7, 1997 (#400 of 500)

A "source" said the CBI lab results indicate it COULD be JR's DNA. That may mean it could be JR as well as 30% of the population - we just don't know. Cellmark labs should have more detailed results.

Not a dumb blonde - 09:46am May 7, 1997 (#401 of 500)

What is your problem Mr. Rita Dickerson. You think all blonde are wanna be? Are you one the mousey brown hair jerks? Get a life Rita dye your hair and get a life..

Nick Husband - 09:49am May 7, 1997 (#402 of 500)

Uh... (Not a) dumb blonde... Rita is a WOMAN... You certainly didn't make YOUR point.. ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

Rita - 09:58am May 7, 1997 (#403 of 500)

Neeny, Neeny, Neeny Nick blasted you!!!!

Rita - 10:00am May 7, 1997 (#404 of 500)

He DOES have a point - ON THE TOP OF HIS HEAD!

Karen Salmond - 11:58am May 7, 1997 (#405 of 500)

Sandra, I don't care if you have "locked horns" with Nick or anyone else. Like I said in post #280 that was an old post which just showed up recently. If you must be concerned about something, address the lewd and lascivious behavior of "Headless Dick", who is so rude because he probably was raised in a barn. Address the peculiar posts of Dminor (who we call D-idiot) and others who now are taking over Nick & Jams' handles. Why don't you address those NUTS????

jams jameson - 08:47am May 8, 1997 (#406 of 500)

I suspect she came out for the money - he was low and cheated on his sick wife - that is not the crime we are addressing here. She had her 15 minutes of fame - let's move on.

Blone - 09:21am May 8, 1997 (#407 of 500)

I don't think your a natural blone Mr. Rita Dick You would not be making fun of us smart blones. Case closed.

Rita - 09:21am May 8, 1997 (#408 of 500)

Why don't you try and correct your grammar first off. The word s/b "YOU'RE" as in you are you know, a contraction.HAHAHAHAHHAHA

Nick Husband - 10:09am May 8, 1997 (#409 of 500)

I don't need to say anything, Blone. You said it all so parfeckly.

Rita - 11:47am May 8, 1997 (#410 of 500)

I agree Jams, she didn't have anything to offer in the way of the murder.

Anne Phillips - 01:22pm May 8, 1997 (#411 of 500)

Trust No One

Rita-you old blone-what can I say?ROL...ROL....

Rita - 08:10pm May 8, 1997 (#412 of 500)

I love it!

nancy berka - 09:06am May 9, 1997 (#413 of 500)

Back to the subject of Jon Bonet. Did anyone see the Monday show with that psycho Densen-Gerber. She showed a picture drawn by JonBonet of what looked like a dinosaur. It had big paws and long claws and a long neck. She said that was because JonBonet was molested and she was afraid of hands and being scratched and the long neck indicated that she was thinking of penis's. As an experiment I had my 6 year old draw me a picture of a dinosaur. Guess what, it looked alot like JonBonet's. Except my daughters had a long neck and long tail. Oh my, I wonder if she has a fixation with penis's or is being molested. Everyone I tell about this woman absolutely cracks up with laughter. They can't believe the stupidity, and she said all this with a straight, serious face!

Dianne E. - 07:20am May 12, 1997 (#414 of 500)

jams jameson admitted to lying last night. The entire transcript of the chat will be on the boulder forum threads today. Unless I see a confession and apology here. it's up to you jams.

Nick Husband - 07:26am May 12, 1997 (#415 of 500)

You guys said he was banned from that board. How could he lie there? Yawn.

Nick Husband - 08:07am May 12, 1997 (#416 of 500)

You're talking about jameson being a woman?

Anne Phillips - 03:00pm May 13, 1997 (#417 of 500)

Trust No One

5/9 Did any of you see Geraldo's Ramsey update show on Thursday(yesterday)? I would have missed it because it was not on this web site's schedule and the show does not come on here until 2:05 A.M. Anyway, It was very interesting to watch Patsy's face(also very painful) as Geraldo played excerpts of the CNN tape over repeatedly. I associate her voice with someone on Valium or painkillers or both. It's difficult to say. Her friend,Pam?,said Patsy always sounds like this,and I found this disturbing. Something doen't seem right,and I believe Pasty might have suffered some kind of psych. break and indeed might be the prime suspect afterall. This is a turnabout for me.

Rita - 08:36am May 14, 1997 (#418 of 500)

To me the voice sounded like phenabarb. like the stuff in Fiorinal that makes you slur your words. Patricia, what 'cha think?

Anne Phillips - 08:42am May 14, 1997 (#419 of 500)

Trust No One

So Paticia is our expert on drugs?Love it.LOL 5/14

Rita - 12:12pm May 15, 1997 (#420 of 500)

She "hears" about stuff like that EVERY day. And I took too many once after surgery and I was like that.

Anne Phillips - 03:41pm May 16, 1997 (#421 of 500)

Trust No One

Patricia,why do you hear about stuff like that everyday? My Mom has had lots of medical procedures, and lots of medications, and that is what Patsey sounded like to me(Mom is 79 yrs.old)

Nick Husband - 11:04am May 19, 1997 (#422 of 500)

Ahhh... You're talking about the "revelations" that jameson is a woman? What does that have to do with JonBenet, even if it were proven to be true? And wouldn't that just totally RUIN your group's talking about "his" sex toys and "him" being a pervert because "he" said (in your minds) things about the doctor examining "his" daughter before starting school? You can't have it both ways.

Betty 51 - 08:11am May 25, 1997 (#423 of 500)

Posted by: Betty51 E-mail: bfletche@ix.netcom.com Location: Posted on: Sunday May 25, 1997

Now that I have everyone named on my web page I am asking you to vote for your favorite of all my friends.

I just ask that you state your reason why you chose your favorite sleuth. It's up to you, have fun with it and remember I did this out of love for each and every one of you. If you haven't seen my page please look at it now. I would like to have more pictures on it, especially Mrs. Brady's. Send your thoughts, poems, and pictures to me today because I want to add a third page of friends.

http://pw2.netcom.com/~bfletche/jbr.html

Hugggggggggs,

Betty

Anne Phillips - 01:39am May 29, 1997 (#424 of 500)

Trust No One

Nick have you read May 25 Chuck Green column? Soooooo depressing.5/29

Rita - 07:04am May 29, 1997 (#425 of 500)

I took too many after surgery and souned just like her. Also, just how close is Pam Griffin? It doesn't seem as though they speak alot to me.

jams jameson - 08:53am May 29, 1997 (#426 of 500)

5/29 OK - so now the authorities have said the Ramseys are A focus - not THE focus any longer. The outsider theory is viable. Maybe the DNA points to an unnamed suspect - doesn't match any samples they have so far. Lee is flying to Boulder to meet with Hunter - Hmmmm.

Anne Phillips - 08:57pm May 29, 1997 (#427 of 500)

Trust No One

I believe DNA is only of parents,possibly also Burke.

Nick Husband - 09:00pm May 29, 1997 (#428 of 500)

Why do you believe that, Anne?

Anne Phillips - 09:15pm May 29, 1997 (#429 of 500)

Trust No One

I posted Nick.

Anne Phillips - 09:22pm May 29, 1997 (#430 of 500)

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Twice.I give up.

Nick Husband - 11:04pm May 29, 1997 (#431 of 500)

No problem Anne, I can wait. (Grin)

Anne Phillips - 07:11am May 30, 1997 (#432 of 500)

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Nick-my earlier posts were wrong anyway.Insider at Cellmark quoted. in this week's tabloid GLOBE.

Anne Phillips - 07:13am May 30, 1997 (#433 of 500)

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Nick if you dare ROL at me then you MUST agree to a discussion of why John Ramsey is a classic example of Camus'THE STRANGER.Grin back at ya.

J.L. Gray - 07:22am May 30, 1997 (#434 of 500)

Would it really be "normal" for a child to have the DNA of one of their parent's under their nails?

J.L. Gray - 07:23am May 30, 1997 (#435 of 500)

Heard Cyril Wecht say that last evening. A baby, maybe, but I just can't see it with an older child.

Nick Husband - 07:45am May 30, 1997 (#436 of 500)

It could be explained in many innocent ways but I would think it might depend on if they can identify what type of tissue or sample.

J.L. Gray - 07:59am May 30, 1997 (#437 of 500)

Is it possible to test from where on the body the tissue came from? For example, any way to tell if it was from the face, arm, etc.?

Anne Phillips - 01:21pm May 30, 1997 (#438 of 500)

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Excellent questions J.L..I would like to know exact same thing.

Nick Husband - 02:06pm May 30, 1997 (#439 of 500)

I would think if it's not too degraded and it's skin from areas where the texture is different, they could tell

jams jameson - 03:47pm Jun 2, 1997 (#440 of 500)

The scrapings from under her nails were blood and tissue mixed. I think if they were real careful they could find in what order they were deposited there. If she scratched Daddy's back the night before, it would be a layer lower than the blood and possible killers skin.

jams jameson - 09:16am Jun 9, 1997 (#441 of 500)

Nick - as a father, if I bring my daughter to the doctor for a pre-school exam and he examines her exterior genitals, I am a pervert for disscussing it. As a mother, I wonder if the same is true? LOL Yes, the study of the mind is interesting...

Doe - 09:19am Jun 9, 1997 (#442 of 500)

I don't have time to read the previous messages. Every forum I've entered to find out the latest on this case revealed personal attacks on one another. I'd like to find out the latest news on the suspects and evidence. I heard that their speculating that Patsy walked in the basement to find her husband (you know what) and swung to hit him and hit Jon Benet instead (the fatal blow). So now they're covering for one another. Why is this case dragging on so long? What's the deal?

Saskatoon - 12:21pm Jun 10, 1997 (#443 of 500)

Please do not take this as a flame. jams jameson, it seems highly suspicious why you are posting so much all over the Internet. What is your motivation and how long does it take every day?

Judy M - 12:21pm Jun 10, 1997 (#444 of 500)

Has anyone considered Jon Benet's 9 year old brother as a suspect. Sounds incredible, but there are a lot of young kids who commit violent acts. It would explain why her body was dragged to the basement instead of carried. I just can't see Patsy Ramsey hurting Jon Benet. However, as a mother, although devestated by the death of Jon Benet, she would want to protect her brother because he, too, is her child. That could be the reason John and Patsy talked to an attorney before talking to anyone else.

Judy M - 12:21pm Jun 10, 1997 (#445 of 500)

Has anyone considered Jon Benet's 9 year old brother as a suspect. Sounds incredible, but there are a lot of young kids who commit violent acts. It would explain why her body was dragged to the basement instead of carried. I just can't see Patsy Ramsey hurting Jon Benet. However, as a mother, although devestated by the death of Jon Benet, she would want to protect her brother because he, too, is her child. That could be the reason John and Patsy talked to an attorney before talking to anyone else.

Anne Phillips - 12:31pm Jun 10, 1997 (#446 of 500)

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Of course you'd catch me-Because it was in this week's National Enquirer. and IF you ROL at me then I will insist on a discussion of John Ramsey's demeanor as a classic example Of Camus' THE STRANGER.5/29

Anne Phillips - 12:31pm Jun 10, 1997 (#447 of 500)

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2nd try5/29 Read DNA results were just of family In National Enquirer.I knew I'd get caught Nick-darn. But if you ROL at me than I insist ona discussion of John Ramsey's demeanor as a classic example of Camus'THE STRANGER>Grin

Anne Phillips - 01:06pm Jun 10, 1997 (#448 of 500)

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Maybe Nick.Wonder why we haven't heard more-results were supposed to be published last Tues..5/30

Nick Husband - 01:53pm Jun 10, 1997 (#449 of 500)

They still haven't been released Anne. Just more 'leaks' No rols..

James Dodge - 02:49pm Jun 10, 1997 (#450 of 500)

Let's look at a simple solution here. Someone in the house more than likely commited the murder. If the husband or wife commited the murder, I don't think one of them would cover for the other. But, if the 10 year old murdered his sister for whatever reason, that would explain a coverup by the parents. The mother could have written the ransom note, the father could have moved JonBenet's body to the basement and most of all it would explain the parents really odd behavior in all this. Guess we'll have to wait and see if this theory is valid.

jams jameson - 02:50pm Jun 10, 1997 (#451 of 500)

But if the killer had on long sleeves, winter, snow on the groun d, she might have has little target to scratch. And her hands may have been going for her wounded head or trying to remove the garotte. I don't think the fingernail scrapings is as important as what else they may have found.

Nick Husband - 02:05pm Jun 11, 1997 (#452 of 500)

Very possible explanation James D. Makes alot of sense that it could have happened that way, but as you say we'll have to wait to know for sure and still may never know

Leah Stevens - 12:43pm Jul 31, 1997 (#453 of 500)

I believe that the murder was committed by the parents. There is just to much evidence that points right to them. Many things do not add up and if this case never gets solved..we have the boulder police to blame for the "sloppy" way they handled the whole investigation.

Lee - 01:05pm Jul 31, 1997 (#454 of 500)

Just call me Sandy

Leah I have to ask if you have inside information! They have not released the official evidence as yet, what info you are getting is in the media.

Vivian Coolidge - 11:25am Sep 26, 1997 (#455 of 500)

I'm glad that Geraldo is still keeping the case on the front burner (as witnessed by show 9-25-97). My theory is that the Boulder police hve some perversion problems themselves, and if John Ramsey is exposed (pardon the pun), it will expose the lot of them, ruining careers, lives, etc. Bottom line: Get On With It Already!!!

shelley macdonald - 07:35pm Sep 28, 1997 (#456 of 500)

I haven't followed this case for the last couple of months because it seemed like it was going nowhere fast. I believe however, that one or both of the parents are involved. They may not actually have committed the murder, but are party to it. I think they know who did do it. What I don't understand is how such a sloppy job could have been carried out in the case. Almost sounds like the "OJ" case. I guess being rich and famous can get you anywhere and away with anything. There is no justice for even the tiniest of victims.

. - 02:11pm Dec 2, 1997 (#457 of 500)

What you've said might be true Shelley, but so far there hasn't been one thing that proves the Ramseys are or were anything but loving parents. If there were, they would be on trial now.

Judith Thomas - 05:16pm Nov 14, 1997 (#458 of 500)

I believe that JonBenet's 10-year-old brother "accidently" killed her and that JonBenet's parents are covering up for him. I believe that either she and her brother got into an argument that night/day she was murdered...maybe he was a little jealous of her, or maybe he thought she got more for Christmas than he, or for some reason. JonBenet's mother made a "strange" statement one day... something about she knew that at least two people knew who the killer was. Welll, of course...she and JonBenet's father know!!! I believe he picked up a baseball bat and hit her in the head accidentally killing her.

. - 12:55pm Nov 18, 1997 (#459 of 500)

While it's possible that her brother may have hit her with something, and the parents are covering it up, it would be nearly impossible to prove, in my opinion, Judith.

connie - 12:38pm Nov 21, 1997 (#460 of 500)

judith, if you believe the brother accidentally killed her, do you also believe the brother also accidentally raped her or do you have yet another suspect in mind for the rape after the brother did his part. just curious.

cc - 03:45pm Nov 25, 1997 (#461 of 500)

supect should be the Santa; anyone think so?

. - 03:47pm Nov 25, 1997 (#462 of 500)

There has been NO EVIDENCE SHOWN OF RAPE.. Instead the hymen was intact, except for a small tear. So police have theorized that it was done with a digit or instrument to confuse things

Karen Stauffer - 04:45pm Nov 25, 1997 (#463 of 500)

I have to say that the police in Boulder are sure taking their time at pressing any charges.It is staring them right in the face, the Rameys themselves.Everything points to them and we all know that they will never be brought back to Boulder to answer for it.

. - 05:05pm Nov 25, 1997 (#464 of 500)

The DA and the FBI both have told them there is no case Karen

. - 05:07pm Nov 25, 1997 (#465 of 500)

If there were evidence against them, they would be charged

Karen Stauffer - 09:33am Nov 26, 1997 (#466 of 500)

I totally understand what your saying Nick . But what about the letter they say that it was definitely Patsy's writing.

. - 02:22pm Dec 2, 1997 (#467 of 500)

There has been nothing shown, no evidence, of rape.. only of sexual abuse, and as a matter of fact, the hymen is almost totally intact. They do believe she was digitally penetrated.

. - 10:00am Nov 26, 1997 (#468 of 500)

They haven't said the ransom note was her writing at all, Karen. They have only said that she can't be excluded from writing it. The 'expert' who now is trying to say something along those lines has never even seen the originals of ANY of Patsy Ramsey's writing, only copies of the writing, and ALL the experts say it can't be identified from copies, you HAVE to have the originals

. - 10:02am Nov 26, 1997 (#469 of 500)

The experts who HAVE examined the originals say only that she can't be excluded from writing it, and even the expert who hasn't seen them has only said on a scale of 1 to 10, with ten only being that she PROBABLY wrote it, could only score her an 8.4 chance of it being even PROBABLE.

. - 10:03am Nov 26, 1997 (#470 of 500)

Not only would it not hold up in court, it is no proof at all that she did write it

Jamie C - 01:47pm Nov 26, 1997 (#471 of 500)

The parents are clearly hiding something, and I don't think it is the fact that they did it...I think is was the 10-year old brother, Burke. And I think there is a lot of evidence that substantiates this theory. I just jumped on here so I don't know how much discussion there has been regarding this theory, so please enlighten me. I'm sure many have thought of this, but why haven't we heard anything through the media?

andrea cahala - 09:50am Nov 27, 1997 (#472 of 500)

what was the verdict on the shoe the other day?

connie - 11:24am Nov 28, 1997 (#473 of 500)

Jamie C. I agree with you. I do believe the parents are hiding something, but i believe it was the father that had something to do with this.

LADY BIRD - 10:19am Jul 23, 1998 (#474 of 500)

Nick,seem's to know ALOT!!!!! **BIRD**

Ginger Rosen - 10:22am Jul 23, 1998 (#475 of 500)

and company....

LadyBird, LadyBird, fly away home......

LADY BIRD - 01:28pm Jul 23, 1998 (#476 of 500)

GINGER ,funny your taking offence and being so hatefull are you capable of caring?? I think you know who!!!

LADY BIRD - 01:30pm Jul 23, 1998 (#477 of 500)

I thought you were but........

Ginger Rosen - 01:30pm Jul 23, 1998 (#478 of 500)

and company....

nope.

Ginger Rosen - 01:31pm Jul 23, 1998 (#479 of 500)

and company....

Know who what? But your right, I'm cold callous and uncaring. How 'bout you, your halo is blinding me.

LADY BIRD - 01:43pm Jul 23, 1998 (#480 of 500)

I'M NO ANGEL;DON'T CLAIM TO BE BUT I'M NOTHING LIKE YOU AND PROUD OF IT!!!!!!!!

Ginger Rosen - 01:44pm Jul 23, 1998 (#481 of 500)

and company....

Ditto, see ya!

Ginger Rosen - 01:58pm Jul 23, 1998 (#482 of 500)

and company....

Thanks. I've got to go,

SWheat - 07:50pm Jul 23, 1998 (#483 of 500)

If you want your children to follow in your foot-steps, you better stay in front of them! From a Donald Duck cartoon.

Sounds like we have a Win, Place and Show - with Ohjoyful, Sunshine Girl and now Lady Bird. I'll bet $10 on Sunshine Girl to win.

LADY BIRD - 08:36pm Jul 23, 1998 (#484 of 500)

And you will loose that $10.00 .I just came to my senses and realized that she or (they )were drawing me in,to what I was complaining about!! And I will not disgrace the child by being so (Childlike)!! When there are some intellegent conversation or someone who want's to (chat) about what this website was created for...Then we'll talk!!! **BIRD** P.S.I CAN go toe to toe with the best of them,and Alway's come out on top!!! See Ya,and wouldn't want to be ya. I now know why this web site is desolate!

Ginger Rosen - 08:38pm Jul 23, 1998 (#485 of 500)

and company....

Right, I believe you will loose that $10, it's Ohjoyful by a fang!

Ginger Rosen - 08:39pm Jul 23, 1998 (#486 of 500)

and company....

With a Bird on her nose!

Ginger Rosen - 08:40pm Jul 23, 1998 (#487 of 500)

and company....

I'm sure you can find a JonBonet site that is not so desolate. Sorry we couldn't accomodate all of you!

LADY BIRD - 08:45pm Jul 23, 1998 (#488 of 500)

Look who's talking now,my are we not childlike??

Ginger Rosen - 08:46pm Jul 23, 1998 (#489 of 500)

and company....

Who? Where? If your not happy here, don't stay on my account.

SWheat - 09:41pm Jul 23, 1998 (#490 of 500)

If you want your children to follow in your foot-steps, you better stay in front of them! From a Donald Duck cartoon.

It's desolate because we get quirky people with funny names who want to talk a lot of nonsense and then everybody whose got something to say leave. Does that help any, LADY BIRD?

LADY BIRD - 06:27am Jul 24, 1998 (#491 of 500)

I have a present for you GINGER ROSEN and BUCKWHEAT!!!

Anne Phillips - 06:29am Jul 24, 1998 (#492 of 500)

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You're going to kill yourselves?

Sandra L - 06:59am Jul 24, 1998 (#493 of 500)

Just call me Sandy

See ya, wouldn't want to be ya? PLEASE!!!!

SWheat - 09:48am Jul 24, 1998 (#494 of 500)

If you want your children to follow in your foot-steps, you better stay in front of them! From a Donald Duck cartoon.

My son is nicnamed BUCKWHEAT. And I still want to know do you speak with a terrible nasal twang? A LADY BIRD in waiting no doubt.

Nancy Brooks - 11:47am Jul 24, 1998 (#495 of 500)

The Truth Is Out There!

GADS, IT NEVER stops, does it!!!

Lady Bird - GO AWAY! We know who you are--get that through what little brain cell you have!

Ginger Rosen - 10:14pm Jul 31, 1998 (#496 of 500)

and company....

A present? For Me? Could it be my own posting place and some company? I just got back, but ladybird seems to have flown away, and come back as......

SWheat - 10:21pm Jul 31, 1998 (#497 of 500)

If you want your children to follow in your foot-steps, you better stay in front of them! From a Donald Duck cartoon.

A bald eagle? A young canary? A bird in flight? I give up, came back as .....? How ya doing, Ginger?

Ginger Rosen - 10:23pm Jul 31, 1998 (#498 of 500)

and company....

Hi SWheat! What a hopping place this has been eh? How are you? We are up awfully late. I think she has come back, or morphed into, Dawn, Rommeliea (whatever), etc.

Anne Phillips - 06:54am Aug 1, 1998 (#499 of 500)

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Grasshopper,you learn quickly.Missed you.

Ginger Rosen - 10:58am Aug 1, 1998 (#500 of 500)

and company....

Hey Anne!!

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