Excerpts from National Enquirer book, "JonBenet, The Police Files" by Don Gentile and David Wright

1998 June 25, 26, 27 - Taped Interrogation interview of Patsy Ramsey by Tom Haney and Trip DeMuth in Colorado

NE Book Page 229:

(Notations in italics by Don Gentile and David Wright from 'The files of the National Enquirer: "Patsy was shown a picture of a baseball bat that was found outside the north side of the house near the butler kitchen's door. A fiber from a carpet on the floor of the basement outside the wine cellar had been found on the bat."

Patsy Ramsey: "That looks like a baseball bat. What is that? It looks like..."

Trip DeMuth: "...That photograph was taken on the north side ...up by the butler kitchen door."

Patsy Ramsey: "Oh really. That is unusual. That is unusual."

Trip DeMuth: "Why is that?"

Patsy Ramsey: "It is not unusual for the kids to leave their stuff laying around, but they wouldn't have had it over there. It would have been - remember all of the toys laying under the swing set? It would be that area. So that is - that is very unusual."

Trip DeMuth: "They never took their toys on that side of the house?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Nobody hardly went over there."

Trip DeMuth; "Okay. The boys -"

Patsy Ramsey: "Run around, I know."

Trip DeMuth: "Would they end up playing over there, or do you know, is there any place they wouldn't go outside?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Well, you are right. There is probably no place they wouldn't go, but it would be highly unusual, is what I'm saying, for a baseball bat to be there, because there is not that much space over there. I mean, if they hit a ball and bat, it was usually over where the patio is..that area."

Trip DeMuth: "How about the bat itself, does that look -"

Patsy Ramsey: "Well, I can't say for sure. Burke would probably know."

Trip DeMuth: "Do you know how many bats he might have had? Would he have had more than one?"

Patsy Ramsey: "I don't think so. I mean, I think that looks metal. Metal bats are pretty - I mean, they are not cheap. So I can't imagine - I don't think he had more than one, if he had one."

Trip DeMuth: "But he did have one?"

Patsy Ramsey: "It seems like had had one, but I can't say for sure it was that one. Like I said, he would know. I'm sure he would know. He might know if they ever played over there, but that bat seems weird to me. Yeah, very strange."

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Excerpts from National Enquirer book, "JonBenet, The Police Files" by Don Gentile and David Wright

1998 June 25, 26, 27 - Taped Interrogation interview of Patsy Ramsey by Tom Haney and Trip DeMuth in Colorado

NE Book Page 243:

Tom Haney: "Okay. The next group of photos and these are not numbered - but they show a flashlight."

Patsy Ramsey: "Uh huh."

Tom Haney: "A black metal...type"

Patsy Ramsey: "Uh huh."

Tom Haney: "Flashlight. Do you recognize that?"

Patsy Ramsey: "It looks similar to one that John Andrew gave John for Christmas, birthday or something."

Tom Haney: "That's similar to the one that John Andrew gave John?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Yeah."

Tom Haney: "And I think last time when you were here on last April... you said, 'where that was stored?'"

Patsy Ramsey: "Uh huh."

Tom Haney: "And I want to clarify that a little bit. Do you remember where it was stored?"

Tom Haney: "The drawer that is open?"

Patsy Ramsey: "That's open there, yeah."

Tom Haney: "And that's the wet bar that's by the spiral staircase, right?

Patsy Ramsey: "Right"

Tom Haney: "Okay. Okay. and looking at photo 380, you don't see a flashlight in (the drawer), right?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Correct...where was this flashlight found?"

Tom Haney: "Well, do you remember when you came in on, in April, they showed you a picture of the flashlight? Do you recall that? You may not."

Patsy Ramsey: "No, not exactly"

Tom Haney: "Okay. This was on the kitchen counter... why would that be out?"

Patsy Ramsey: "I don't know."

Tom Haney: "Did you guys use this flashlight much?"

Patsy Ramsey: "I didn't, no"

Tom Haney: "Who did?"

Patsy Ramsey: "John used it"

Tom Haney: "What did he use it for?"

Patsy Ramsey: "I don't know, looking in the garage and the car or something like that."

Tom Haney: "Okay. Had you ever seen it on the kitchen counter before?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Not that I recall."

Tom Haney: "Would it have struck you as unusual, or would that not be outside the realm of possibilties, given the habit of the family?"

Patsy Ramsey: "It seems like it would have been unusual to have made it all the way into the kitchen, because usually if somebody was using the flashlight, they were - John was looking at something in the garage or under the car or somethig like that."

Tom Haney: "Okay"

Patsy Ramsey: "But he might, you know, I'm sure you must have asked him if he...?"

Tom Haney: "And maybe I missed it, do you know when you last saw it in the drawer?"

Patsy Ramsey: "No, I'm not for sure."

Tom Haney: "Okay, how about, do you recall of using that during say a power outage or to check on the kids at night, anything along those lines?

Patsy Ramsey: "No, I don't remember that"

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Excerpts from National Enquirer book, "JonBenet, The Police Files" by Don Gentile and David Wright

1998 June 25, 26, 27 - Taped Interrogation interview of Patsy Ramsey by Tom Haney and Trip DeMuth in Colorado

NE Book Page 338:

John was then shown two photos showing a torn-up letter that was found in the trash can in JonBenet's room.

Lou Smit: "Have you ever seen a letter like that?"

John Ramsey: "It doesn't look familiar... it says, "Somebody loves you all, Merry Christmas."

Lou Smit: "I can tell you that these items were found in the trash can in your daughter's room and it was torn up."

John Ramsey: "Do you know what the word before "loves' is? 'Somebody loves you all.'

Lou Smit: "I am sure that has been looked at very closely. It appears to be a Santa Claus Letter."

John Ramsey: "(trying to read the torn-up letter)... 'Friend, enjoy your holidays, Christmas.' 'Well it doesn't look like anything I have seen before... and I don't know what it would be doing, you know, torn up in..."

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July 21, 1998 Linda Wilcox (former Ramsey housekeeper) interview on Peter Boyles Show

Peter Boyles: We'll talk about the police interview and we'll talk about the books by the bed. One of the stories we broke was about John Douglas' book Mindhunter being seen in the crime scene photos. You know a little bit about books by the Ramseys beds...

Linda Wilcox: Well, they each had a pile of books in the corner by the bed. Even though they had nightstands. Originally the nightstands weren't there until they redid the upstairs. And even afterwards, they tended to just throw the books there. So, I kind of knew who read what. So, Patsy's side had things like, you know poems for women and not really what I would consider true trash-like Harlequin romances, but more like Mary Higgins Clark, woman novels. Some of them, I had even read. John's side of the bed was usually some kind of suspense-thriller. He tended to buy books by, what I call, by the numbers, I mean whatever's number 1 on the bestseller lists. Occasionally it would be something like the 7 habits of successful people, or financial things or even a (garbled) occasionally. But, generally it was some kind of suspense novel.

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1999 February 18 - Lawrence Schillers book "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town

Page 196:

"I can tell you one thing. Whoever killed that child knew JonBenet's dog wasn't going to be in the house that evening. Sometimes Jacques would stay at the Barnhills' for a few hours and then he'd come back. He was always going back and forth. The killer knew the dog had already been taken across the street to stay with the Barnhills since the family was leaving the next morning for their winter vacation"..... (quote by Nedra Paugh)

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1999 February 18 - Lawrence Schillers book "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town

Page 405:

"The second addendum to the search warrant noted that when Sgt. Whitson first arrived at the Ramsey house, he noticed what seemed to be a pry mark on the door jamb. The damage are 'appeared to hae been less weathered than the surrounding surfaces on the door and door jamb,' the document said."

"The Ramseys' attorneys were quick to point out in a press statement that the documents contained nothing to incriminate their clients. Hal Haddon said it was "significant" that people close to the investigation had not leaked information that was exculpatory to the Ramsey family, such as the pry mark. He also provided the media with a photograph of the door jamb, which the police had seen on December 26, and said, "The material released today demonstrates substantial evidence of an intruder."

"The next day, the Rocky Mountain News published the 5 x 8 inch photograph alongside a story that quoted Haddon as saying that important evidence of an intruder had been withheld from the public."

"The Ramseys' former housekeeper, Linda Hoffmann-Pugh, was surprised to see both the picture and Haddon's statement. The photograph showed the spot where a protective metal plate on the door jamb had fallen off months before the murder. She had seen the plate become looser until one day it fell off, revealing the same marks that she now saw in the photograph. Hoffmann-Pugh had taken the plate to Patsy, who wasn't concerned enough to have it replaced. The detached plate had sat on a shelf in the hallway near the kitchen. Now Hoffmann-Pugh wondered if the police had discovered it and made the connection."

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1999 October 30 Pam Paugh Q&A
WebbSleuths Forum:

Question from KathyK: "I also would like to know anything she can tell us about the Santa Bear. Does she definately remember seeing the bear when she went to get stuff from the house, or does she just sort of think she remembers seeing it. Did the cops ever take it into evidence? Is it really missing? - how hard did the Ramseys look for it - could it just be in boxes that were packed up. Do they have the other things that were in the cops picture - like that fancy barbie doll?"

Pam Paugh: "I do remember seeing the Bear on the secondary bed in JonBenet's room on 12/28/96. I do not know where the Bear is now. I am told that the BPD have confirmed the source of the sales point for that model Bear. I wonder if they have subpoenaed sales/shipping records and done a "search of transfer."

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2000 March 18
John and Patsy Ramsey book
"Death of Innocence"

DOI (HB) Page 188:

"One day I was driving through the small downtown area in Charlevoix and all these thoughts were playing over and over in my mind. I pulled into the corner 7-Eleven, where JonBenet had often walked with twenty-five cents in her pocket to buy gum or candy, and I went inside to buy a pack of cigarettes.

I had smoked once at a slumber party in the ninth grade and a little bit when I worked at Hayes, but not since then. Now I said defiantly to myself, I'm going to smoke until they find the killer.

I knew this was pure rebellion. I felt so out of control. People were telling me what to do, where to go, whom to talk to, whom not to talk to. They meant well, but I felt less and less like an adult who could manage her own life.

After that I smoke occasionally for about a year or so. Then I finally realized I was not hurting the killer or the media. I was hurting no one but myself. I quit."

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2000 March 18
John and Patsy Ramsey book
"Death of Innocence"

DOI (HB) Page 234:

"John and I wrote message of appreciation to our friends to be printed on the back of the liturgy of the day. We thanked the people for their support through the past year and expressed how much their love had meant to us. We also commended on the meaning of the Christmas season and why it was important to remember the real season we celebrate this time of the year. In composing this expression of appreciation, John and I had each written a version. With both copies in hand, John dictated and I typed at the computer as we merged the two into one. Later Susan Stine and Roxy Walker made a few edits as they type it into the liturgical program. This edited version included the phrase and, hence. Those two words turned out to be the next bombshell!"

"Actually, I have no idea why we used that phrase. Maybe we'd seen it so many times in reading the ransom note - and having to write it over and over again for the police - that it became a part of our own subconscious vocabulary. Who know? Then again, maybe people everywhere use the phrase and, hence everyday of the week, because it's a normal part of the English language. The fact we used any set of words in our statement meant nothing more than an attempt to convey our personal feelings at the moment we were writing."

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04-18-2000 Steve Thomas, "JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation"

Page 44:

"Among the items police now sought were the possible bludgeon that caused the head wound and any dark fabric that might account for the fibers found on the body. A red clay brick that appeared to have fibers stuck to it was retrieved from the living rooom fireplace."

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04-18-2000 Steve Thomas, "JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation"

Page 37:

"Outside, a detective examined the steel grate that covered the window well and found undisturbed cobwebs still attached from the grate to the bricks. The foliage around the grate also appeared undisturbed."

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04-18-2000 Steve Thomas, "JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation"

Page 44:

"They were also looking for traces of semen, and in the victim's bedroom, ultraviolet light showed stains on the bed and surrounding carpet. The mattress was wrapped in plastic."

"Detectives going through the house noted cobwebs in the tracks of various windows and found some windows painted closed. Dust and debris had gathered on other sills, giving no indication of forced entry. Some curious pry marks were found on a back door, but more and more, except for the broken window in the basement, it looked as thought the big house had been locked up tight the night before."

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04-18-2000 Steve Thomas, "JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation"

Page 195:

"One of the two possible basement-level points of entry was a north-east corner foot-square window into a bathroom. Smit, examining a photograph with his magnifying glass, thought he had seen a thumbprint in the thick layer of dust on the exterior sill. We argued that it wasn't a print at all. 'Then he wore gloves,' Smit concluded. Sergeant Wickman retorted that someone needed a 'magic X-ray wand' to unlock that window from the outside. The carpet of pine needles and the dirt around the window were intact, and photos from December 27 showed the window secured and undamaged. A vanity shelf just inside was undisturbed."

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04-18-2000 Steve Thomas, "JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation"

Page 195:

"As the press watched and cameras clicked, we tested it for possible entry. Wickman wiggled through head first on his stomach and had to use his hands to grab overhead pipes and lever himself in. Smit managed to slither in on his back. Both dragged significant amounts of debris in with them, and no such debris was found during the original search. The techs had found no unknown prints when they dusted the pipes that Wickman grasped to make his entry. Even Lou Smit eventually admitted that the small window wasn't a possible point of entry for an intruder."

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2000 May 9 - Live Chat with former Detective Steve Thomas on About.com

crimeADM: "We've been told that the paperback will include several corrections. Anything of substance?"

SteveThomas: "One item -- page 44, a last minute mistake -- ballbat with hair on it should read "golfclub with hair on it", found outside on west side of house. ballbat found in north yard. other corrections are minor, grammar, etc A second notation in hypothesis includes fact that Patsy had alcohol to drink at White's party that night. I also add the names of still more BPD officers, great cops, who have quietly resigned."

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2000 May 9 - Live Chat with former Detective Steve Thomas on About.com

crimeADM: "There was a letter from Shreveport LA from a pageant mom; how far was that investigated?"

SteveThomas: "Shreveport letter -- short and sweet, a former friend of Patsy's, she wrote, saying we needed to look more at JR and PR early in the case. Some hints and innuendoes. nothing case breaking"

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2000 July 19 - The 700 Club - Scott Ross Interview with John and Patsy Ramsey

Scott Ross: John you have been accused of molesting your daughter.

John Ramsey: That was extremely hurtful to me.

Scott Ross: You were a sexual deviate you would go these porn places? What about that?

John Ramsey: They are lies, that is all I could say. First of all, I loved my daughters. I had 3 wonderful daughters. I would give my life for them. But I wish the killer would have taken me that night instead of JonBenet. To accuse me of doing anything but protecting my daughter as any father would, any good father would, it isn’t warranted. I happened to be watching television when this fellow from the National Enquirer was being quoted, "We saw John Ramsey going into a porn shop a week after his daughter was murdered. We have that as a fact". That is a fraudulent lie, unless they call the 7-11 store a porn shop. Which is how a tabloid justifies their statements.

Scott Ross: Those were proven to be lies? There’s no record of your going to buy porn films or rent them?

John Ramsey: I would stake my life on that.

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2000 "The Cases That Haunt Us" by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker

Page 298

"Upon meeting John Ramsey, I informed him who I was, shook his hand, and expressed my sorrow for his loss. As it turned out, there was some significance to the fact that neither he nor Patsy knew who I was. Subsequent to this, several sources, including Detective Steve Thomas, reported that Mindhunter, the first book I wrote with Mark, was on John Ramsey's nightstand. In this book we deal with staging crime scenes, and some speculated that one or both of the Ramseys had read it and "learned" how to outwit investigators to make it look as if someone from outside had killed their child. First, I have to say that they--or anyone else--would not have learned this from reading the book. We didn't write a how-to-course, and any good investigator would see right through such a primitive attempt. Morover, much as we would like to think that everyone has read our books and knows who we are, Mindhunter was not there on John's nightstand or elsewhere in the house, and I looked through the place pretty carefully. Believe me, as an author you learn to spot your books anywhere and everywhere. And it was not on the long police list of items removed from the house, although a "Dave Barry book about cyberspace" was. This is just one small example of the mountain of erroneous information that has come out about this case. While I understand that John read Mindhunter after meeting me, he was completely unfamiliar with my work at the time of the crime."

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July 11, 2001 British Documentary, 'Who Killed The Pageant Queen?'produced by David Mills and Michael Tracey

LOU SMIT: "I've been a detective for 32 years, I've never given out police evidence. In this case I am. And I know that there will be a great deal of criticism, but I am ready to take the heat."

NARRATOR: "During his 32-year career, Smit investigated over 200 murders. He solved over 90 per cent of them. He never lost a case in court. Smit spent his career investigating violent death for the Colorado Springs Police Department, DA's office and coroner. His last job was running murder investigations for the El Paso County Sheriff's Dept - one of the largest police forces in Colorado."

NARRATOR : "Smit arrived in Boulder, driving his family's camper van, three months after the killing. His task, to investigate the murder for the DA's office and to liase with the separate police team. He didn't think it would take long."

LOU SMIT: "When you're not in on a crime scene you do miss out on quite a bit of the feelings that you get during the initial investigation. That's where photographs really do come in. The Boulder Police Department did take some great photographs. I did spend a great deal of time inspecting each and every one of those photographs and they did tell me a story."

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July 11, 2001 British Documentary, 'Who Killed The Pageant Queen?'produced by David Mills and Michael Tracey

SMIT: "There's very strong evidence that JonBenét was killed in this part of the basement and one of the reasons for that is that there was a paint tray right there and in this paint tray was a paintbrush that was used to make the garrotte. The bristle portion was still in the tray. Right next to the paint tray is a very small sliver of wood that came off of that broken brush. The garrotte was made of the middle portion of that paintbrush, the handle. Her hair was actually entwined right in the wrappings of the garrotte as the killer made it right on the back of her neck, most likely when she was lying face down on the floor. He made a noose on the other end of this garrotte. Then this noose was pulled very tightly against the neck of JonBenét, almost like a control device, almost like you were controlling a pet or a dog. Her killer has a fantasy in his mind of what he wants to do with this garrotte."

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October 4, 2002 8pm DST CBS 48 Hours Investigates - Searching for a Killer

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "But what about the fibers from Patsy Ramsey's jacket that police say were in the paint tray and on the sticky side of duct tape covering JonBenet's mouth"

Erin Moriarty: "Is there a fact that there were fibers consistent with Patsy Ramsey's jacket incrementing?"

Lou Smit: "Sure."

Erin Moriarty: "But does that shake your faith that the Ramsey's were not involved?"

Lou Smit: "No, you just can't rely on fiber evidence because fibers could come off the jacket or something similar to the jacket."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Once more says Smit there were also dozens of unidentified fibers that didn't come from the Ramsey's and Smit is unaware of a single case where a parent used a garrote like this to kill a child."

Lou Smit: "This is one of the best clues left behind by the killer. This shows what's going on in his mind. This is a sexual device. He's a pedophile who's a sexual sadist. That's what Lou Smit's looking for."

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